I live in a country where it is almost impossible* to get gun. But there were some shootings even in schools. And every sane person agrees that neither any changes in laws will do anything nor all those bogus turnstiles, fences and locking fire exits. This circus of prison mentally harms children even more, fences don’t let students escape in case of shooting and locking fire exits… Dear Princess Celestia, we didn’t learn anything.
* unless you are male between age 18 and 27. In this case good uncle Voencom will give you AK even if you don’t want it.
I don’t disagree that gun violence is a huge problem in the US, and we can all agree that we need to have serious discussion about realistic solutions.
But there are SO many more people in the US than in Denmark. It’s not even close. It has roughly the population as Colarado for the entire country.
That’s not to say there aren’t many, many more mass shooting instances in Colarado (I’m using the term mass shooting to mean a person shooting strangers on purpose in a planned attack in a place unlikely to have armed victims like a school, movie theater or gay night club) than Denmark, so I feel it’s a bit disingenuous to compare the whole US to Denmark.
Denmark also has a lot less poverty and better access to healthcare and mental health services as compared to the US.
So I know it feels good to try and make your point this way, but it’s not really the same at all. There’s more to this than guns and “Americans dumb”.
It’s easier to veiw these gun statistics less by a side by side comparison of total population and more by gun related deaths per every 10, 000 people. That allows an adjustment for population.
The US in 2023 had 10.89 gun deaths per every 10k people. Denmark had 1.08 per 10k. So roughly Denmark would have had to have roughly 10x the number of gun deaths to draw parallel with the US.
This metric does cover all homicides and suicides. For a better picture homicides only made up 7% of all gun related fatalities in Denmark in the US 43% of gun deaths were homicides. One interesting difference is that Denmark accidental gun deaths is a much bigger slice of their piechart than the US.
Strong social welfare programs and measures to check extreme wealth aggregation are also things the US would have money to manage. Technically speaking the ratio of Government wealth per adult in the US is greater than Denmark’s meaning Denmark is doing more with less.
Also poverty crime is still pretty high in Denmark. The social safety net means you don’t starve so much and have a place to come home to but it’s a very lean existance. A lot of people there are barely making ends meet. Technically speaking the poverty rates between the two countries are actually very comparable.
Thank you. I was about to look for such a per population representation as well. Bonus points to you if you could also provide the sources of your numbers. :>
No, there’s nothing more to this than guns and Americans dumb. You have to remember, we have functioning education in most other places in the world, so the kind of imbecile propaganda you all fall victim to has no effect on us, you only come across as a moron trying to regurgitate it.
Ok, but controlling for population doesn’t actually make it better for you guys. You’re still far and away the number one in number of mass shootings. By orders of magnitude.
Note that there is a really bad outdated study that puts US in the number 11 (and it’s not relevant, because it’s really outdated by now. I suspect that because of these frequent record breaks, it would look bad even with the fuckery), because they did a lot statistical fuckery to make it so. It’s too long of an explanation to write out what they did.
However, you can just use the average for number of mass shootings per year/month/week and you propel to the top like a rocket.
So, yes it’s more than just “Americans dumb”, but everything points to the fact that US is rotten to the core, and lack of gun control is definitely part of the problem. Poverty, inequality, police violence, lack of social programs (because fuck commies, fam) and so forth… But while it’s not unique to US, it’s definitely typical US problem.
I mean it’s still an entire country. The comparisons are the same for Australia and England as well. Sure they have violence. It’s mitigating the tools to create violence. They have the easiest access in a country that breeds toxicity. Take some of those things away and maybe keeping the guns as they are a worthy discussion. But because they aren’t, it’s the most common sense way to handle the problem.
Have you done the maths, or are you guessing?
For the rate to be equal, there must have been 220 mass shooting in the US since 1994, wich is the earliest mass shootings on this list.
(332 mil / 6mil) X 4 mass shootings registered since 1994
Notice it is SINCE 1994. I believe there are double this EVERY year in the US. The actual comparison is 15000 (mass) shootings Vs 220 (adjusted to reflect the population) making it 70! Times higher in the US, after accounting for the population differences
So you are not correct when you say it is higher in Denmark.
Also note that this is a comparison for mass shootings. Gun violence in general is even more extreme
This is a VERY rough comparison simply to prove you wrong, but there is a good article about this, comparing Denmark and the US here
Well that one guy in Denmark got eighty alone, and the states 200 this year, so yeah it was fast math, but at least I used numbers of victims, not incidents. You’re doing some excellent fast talking shitty math yourself there.
I think you’re confusing Denmark with Norway my fast talking friend…
That said, i dont think you’d want to look into gun casualties to prove your point also what is that 200 you mention? I don’t know how many have died in mass shootings in the US, but it is a lot more than the 200 you claim it to be.
Remember back in July 2022, when there was a mass shooting in Denmark and some Americans would say “see it happens even in a gun regulated country”?
There hasn’t been one since…
If you make the same search for America, letter B is probably on
purgepage 3Quite the Freudian slip
I live in a country where it is almost impossible* to get gun. But there were some shootings even in schools. And every sane person agrees that neither any changes in laws will do anything nor all those bogus turnstiles, fences and locking fire exits. This circus of prison mentally harms children even more, fences don’t let students escape in case of shooting and locking fire exits… Dear Princess Celestia, we didn’t learn anything.
* unless you are male between age 18 and 27. In this case good uncle Voencom will give you AK even if you don’t want it.
It’s weird how the BuT OtHeR CoUnTrIeS HaVe iT tOo argument is so rapidly debunked even without showing how ‘both sides’ it is.
I don’t disagree that gun violence is a huge problem in the US, and we can all agree that we need to have serious discussion about realistic solutions.
But there are SO many more people in the US than in Denmark. It’s not even close. It has roughly the population as Colarado for the entire country.
That’s not to say there aren’t many, many more mass shooting instances in Colarado (I’m using the term mass shooting to mean a person shooting strangers on purpose in a planned attack in a place unlikely to have armed victims like a school, movie theater or gay night club) than Denmark, so I feel it’s a bit disingenuous to compare the whole US to Denmark.
Denmark also has a lot less poverty and better access to healthcare and mental health services as compared to the US.
So I know it feels good to try and make your point this way, but it’s not really the same at all. There’s more to this than guns and “Americans dumb”.
It’s easier to veiw these gun statistics less by a side by side comparison of total population and more by gun related deaths per every 10, 000 people. That allows an adjustment for population.
The US in 2023 had 10.89 gun deaths per every 10k people. Denmark had 1.08 per 10k. So roughly Denmark would have had to have roughly 10x the number of gun deaths to draw parallel with the US.
This metric does cover all homicides and suicides. For a better picture homicides only made up 7% of all gun related fatalities in Denmark in the US 43% of gun deaths were homicides. One interesting difference is that Denmark accidental gun deaths is a much bigger slice of their piechart than the US.
Strong social welfare programs and measures to check extreme wealth aggregation are also things the US would have money to manage. Technically speaking the ratio of Government wealth per adult in the US is greater than Denmark’s meaning Denmark is doing more with less.
Also poverty crime is still pretty high in Denmark. The social safety net means you don’t starve so much and have a place to come home to but it’s a very lean existance. A lot of people there are barely making ends meet. Technically speaking the poverty rates between the two countries are actually very comparable.
Thank you. I was about to look for such a per population representation as well. Bonus points to you if you could also provide the sources of your numbers. :>
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0300943274901137
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/young-people-in-denmark-at-highest-risk-of-facing-poverty-among-eu-countries/2865213
Sorry about that. Copy pasting anything on my cell is a nightmare on Lemmy. Here’s my main sources.
No, there’s nothing more to this than guns and Americans dumb. You have to remember, we have functioning education in most other places in the world, so the kind of imbecile propaganda you all fall victim to has no effect on us, you only come across as a moron trying to regurgitate it.
[looks around NL nervously…]
Ok, but controlling for population doesn’t actually make it better for you guys. You’re still far and away the number one in number of mass shootings. By orders of magnitude.
Note that there is a really bad outdated study that puts US in the number 11 (and it’s not relevant, because it’s really outdated by now. I suspect that because of these frequent record breaks, it would look bad even with the fuckery), because they did a lot statistical fuckery to make it so. It’s too long of an explanation to write out what they did.
However, you can just use the average for number of mass shootings per year/month/week and you propel to the top like a rocket.
So, yes it’s more than just “Americans dumb”, but everything points to the fact that US is rotten to the core, and lack of gun control is definitely part of the problem. Poverty, inequality, police violence, lack of social programs (because fuck commies, fam) and so forth… But while it’s not unique to US, it’s definitely typical US problem.
Nah, y’all dumb.
https://www.desifacts.org/policy-law/gun-laws-and-denmark
Ok let’s compare the entirety of Europe to the US (Europe has about 750 000 000 inhabitants, so double the US)
Amount of school shootings happened in the US last year: 52
Amount of school shooting happened in Europe: 31 since the year 1900
I mean it’s still an entire country. The comparisons are the same for Australia and England as well. Sure they have violence. It’s mitigating the tools to create violence. They have the easiest access in a country that breeds toxicity. Take some of those things away and maybe keeping the guns as they are a worthy discussion. But because they aren’t, it’s the most common sense way to handle the problem.
theres like 5 million Danes. their per capita count is still higher.
Have you done the maths, or are you guessing? For the rate to be equal, there must have been 220 mass shooting in the US since 1994, wich is the earliest mass shootings on this list.
(332 mil / 6mil) X 4 mass shootings registered since 1994
Notice it is SINCE 1994. I believe there are double this EVERY year in the US. The actual comparison is 15000 (mass) shootings Vs 220 (adjusted to reflect the population) making it 70! Times higher in the US, after accounting for the population differences
So you are not correct when you say it is higher in Denmark.
Also note that this is a comparison for mass shootings. Gun violence in general is even more extreme
This is a VERY rough comparison simply to prove you wrong, but there is a good article about this, comparing Denmark and the US here
https://www.desifacts.org/policy-law/gun-laws-and-denmark
Well that one guy in Denmark got eighty alone, and the states 200 this year, so yeah it was fast math, but at least I used numbers of victims, not incidents. You’re doing some excellent fast talking shitty math yourself there.
I think you’re confusing Denmark with Norway my fast talking friend…
That said, i dont think you’d want to look into gun casualties to prove your point also what is that 200 you mention? I don’t know how many have died in mass shootings in the US, but it is a lot more than the 200 you claim it to be.
I mean read the article causing this commentary
Imagine mass shootings being so common that people can’t agree on what they are…
Please, stop being stupid
You first
They already are. So how about you educate yourself on something else than your NRA approved gun manual.
Oh fuck off moron .
Denmark’s rate is 1.08. This is actually quite high by European standards, but to claim it’s higher than the US is a joke.
Math is hard 😔…