A month or two ago I made a few posts on reddit to nudge people to join PieFed
More details here
The posts got 500,000 views and a couple thousand people joined PieFed.
This is the insights of a Reddit community, as you can see the vast majority of people prefer using a mobile app.
~98% of users are using a mobile app.
One issue I kept seeing in the comments was that there’s no “PieFed” app on any of the app-stores.
I want to be able to tell people, “Hey there’s this cool PieFed app, just search for it from the App-Store”
With age verification and other BS looming, the next Rexit is coming, we need to be ready. Ideally people can just comment, “Yea Reddit sucks, Just download PieFed from the app-store”
Can we make this happen? I’m sure it’ll greatly benifit Voyager, PieFed and the Fediverse
A fair point this is from UK Play store searching for piefed
Yea I get the same.
Often when PieFed is recommended on Reddit, there are comments like “I can’t find it on the App-Store?”
For each comment like this, there are probably hundreds of people who went looking, but didn’t bother to comment.
Edit: I only now noticed that Blorp does have PieFed in the name. I didn’t read that far, I think many users would miss it and click away, starting with ‘PieFed…’ would be ideal
Gee, I don’t know if I want to funnel here people that are so lazy as to not be bothered to read the third word in an app name. It does not bode well for their participation in the threadiverse.
So you don’t want me on this platform?
Considering you’re straw-manning my argument, yes, I don’t.
I really hate the gatekeeping I see on the Fediverse, it’s one of the few things I don’t like about this place.
For how nice everyone is here, and how nice the interactions are, the “Oh please no, don’t come here to this place, you are dumb/lazy, and I don’t want dumb people here” is gross.
You don’t know what’s going on in peoples lives, if they have reading disabilities, or if they might speed read or have ADHD.
God forbid they don’t thoroughly read through every line in a search result.
It’s not closure, but a simple plea for love and kindness.
The Fediverse is based on four pillars:
- Software developers (Mastodon, Lemmy, Friendica, Piefed, etc.)
- Server administrators (mastodon.social, lemmy.ml, friendica.world, piefed.social, etc.)
- App developers (Fedilab, Jerboa, Raccoon, Blorp, etc.)
- The user community
Honestly, you can’t ask app developers to double their work (development, release, store registration, updates, etc.) because users don’t read the instructions! 🤣
Users have a huge responsibility: to support, test, and fund the volunteer community (1, 2, and 3). If users don’t even want to read the instructions, then the Fediverse has no hope of surviving. Those users deserve to be devoured and digested by Big Tech, by profiling logic, and by the predatory attention economy. Amen
Blorp dev here. I agree, but it’s also good to know the pain points. Someone people are correct that a problem exists, but incorrect in their proposed solution.
For example, the are probably ways I can update the App Store listing to make it more obvious that we support PieFed.
What do you mean by if users don’t read instructions the fediverse has no hope to survive? Literacy on instagram etc. is probably not very high, yet it’s one of the biggest platforms.
Also making it clearer what the app supports doesn’t double the work for devs.
the percentage of people who might not read carefully for the reasons you mentioned is abysmally small compared to that of the people who can’t be bothered to read.
do not use disabilities and such to defend your argument, it’s distasteful.
I am literally one of the people who read like that.
It’s not just about disabilities, a lot of people will read like that. It’s inefficient to fully read everything when you’re scanning options to find something you’re looking for.
I’ve been to reddit. I’ve seen the kind of community people who can’t be arsed to search for what they claim to want create. If they can’t be bothered to click on the search results of the app store to see if the result applies, will they even read a comment as long as yours? Or will they read the first line and engage in a flame war?
Will they misconstrue an argument to rage bait like you just did? I don’t want that people in my social circle. I want people who don’t shy away from textual interpretation and reflection. I want people more interested in exchanging ideas than in winning a debate.
More gatekeeping.
Just because someone speed reads and missed the ‘piefed’ part, like I did.
Doesn’t automatically put them in what ever box you just created and want to gatekeep.
Blorp dev here. I wanted to emphasize that we have equal support for Lemmy and PieFed. If I put PieFed at the beginning then that would be unfair to Lemmy. And the same goes for the inverse. If I ever get around to adding mbin support, then I’ll really be in trouble lol.
Just an idea, but maybe releasing two apps (even if they’re exactly the same.
Eg.
“Lemmy through Blorp” And “PieFed through Blorp”
That way when people search for either, your app pops up first, and there’s no confusion as to if it’s the correct app.
It might be helpful if summit also read “Summit for Lemmy and Piefed.” @idunnololz@lemmy.world I didn’t know voyager was also compatible with Piefed, there’s probably others who think only blorp does Piefed.
Because there’s so much crap and adds on the app-stores, Lots of people speed read, and miss the last bit of “Blorp for Lemmy and PieFed”
Feeld is one of the search results, which is a ad, so you have to filter out the BS.
I searched this on my phone before making this post, and didn’t notice the ‘PieFed’ part, because after reading ‘Blorp for Lemmy’ my brain eliminated that as a viable option and went further down the list.
I only noticed the ‘piefed’ part after scrolling past hellaquin’s screenshot.
Blorp dev here. Not an ad. Just wanted to make it blatantly obvious that we have first class PieFed support. I no longer consider Blorp to be a Lemmy client that happens to support PieFed. PieFed and Lemmy now get equal consideration in what I’m building.
Done.
Blorp dev here. Guess I’m doing a good job marketing our PieFed support :)
PS. I chose to promote PieFed over Lemmy because when I tried to promote Lemmy in the past, it’s just met with people who have tried Lemmy and were met with tankies and bad UX, and they’re vocal about it in the comments so the post doesn’t get much engagement.
Where as with PieFed the engagement has been quite positive as you can see in the posts linked here
@aeharding@vger.social & @rimu@piefed.social
Perhaps something y’all can have a chat about or collab on
I think PieFed support is still in beta for Voyager. As I am seeing it, updates for Voyager got rarer in the last months, so I guess the developer has other stuff to do. I don’t know if they feel comfortable with officially supporting PieFed. I still have some annoying bugs for more than a year now, like auto fill not working for link posts that haven’t been fixed forever.
I still can’t login to my piefed account on voyager :(
What’s the error you are getting
Incorrect login credentials for both username and email. The same login works fine in a browser or blorp
Ah, I didn’t know that was only a issue on PieFed, it can be quite annoying yes.
Ideally the name would make it painfully obvious that this is the correct app when users search “PieFed”
Eg. “PieFed through Voyager” but anything is better than the current situation
I think of the nice things about PieFed is that you don’t need to install an app, you can ‘install’ the webapp, which works just fine.
Alternatively, you can point people to a bunch of apps that work for both PieFed and Lemmy.
But yeah, I see your point, ideally an immediately usable app shows up when people search for piefed in the Play/App Store.
I think of the nice things about PieFed is that you don’t need to install an app, you can ‘install’ the webapp, which works just fine .
Meanwhile, Voyager works great . :) I started with the PWA, but I like using Voyager a lot more because of the presentation, the swipe gestures (I was a user of Apollo for Reddit on iOS, Voyager is the closest experience). The PWA is decent, but to me a dedicated mobile app is two classes above.
Oh absolutely, I use Thunder for similar reasons. Does Voyager support cross-posts displayed as a single comment thread? This is something I’m missing on Thunder.
