• rektdeckard@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    You’re uninformed. Cats co-evolved with humans to serve a job (pest control, in exchange for safety and the occasional bit of food). There have only been fully indoor cats for a few hundred years. Not all cats have to have a job, but some WANT one, just like dogs. We should let them.

    My cat is angry with me if I don’t let him spend at least 12 hours a day roaming and catching bugs and mice. He has neighbor cat friends that he goes to see. Why would I deprive him of that?

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      10 months ago

      I think we have different definitions of irresponsible or entitled behavior if you think giving the cat what it wants or otherwise doing whatever our selfish uninformed ancestors did is the correct option.

      You should deprive your invasive manmade predator the option to kill local wildlife for sport because the local ecosystem takes irreparable damage every time a species goes extinct due to human incompetence. Cats naturally belonged to a small region of northern Africa and the Mediterranean before humans spread them across the entire earth and let their population boom from hundreds to hundreds of millions.

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          10 months ago

          Yeah, actually, that’s accurate. Cats generally stick to a small territory, lots of studies show this behavior to be consistent. The spread of domestic cats has always been understood to coalesce with the spread of human agriculture.

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          10 months ago

          Ah yes, those damned educated people making choices that are beneficial to themselves and others. NEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDSSSSS~!!!

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            10 months ago

            after finding it quite surprising that folks here feel so strongly about forcing such a depressing life on highly independent creatures, I decided to look for the evidence myself.

            sure enough, it’s not as clear as you all think. one of the problems with the research is that it is incorrectly applied to all environments without merit. and the biggest issue of all is that most of the problem is caused by feral cats.

            so no, your absolute position that all cats must be indoors only is not fully supported by evidence. furthermore it is alarming how quick people are to impose their beliefs on other creatures with only a small amount of reason.

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              If you don’t enforce indoor only cats with high precision then feral cats exist everywhere as a result.

              Literally no environment benefits from thousands of fucking cats.

              You will look for any excuse to avoid the guilt of our failures as a species.

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                10 months ago

                owning pets isn’t about maximizing environmental benefits. your own existence is a much larger problem for that but no one is telling you to live your entire life in a boring box because we have too many humans. this hill is not important enough to warrant all you folks dying on it.

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                  If some people can’t minimize harm to the environment (and as a result, harm done to countless other people) then those people need their rights restricted. That’s the fundamental nature of laws: if you fuck it up for the rest of us then we’re going to have to step in.

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                    10 months ago

                    which apparently doesn’t extend to harming cats by way of imprisonment.

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            10 months ago

            Tbf right or wrong the way you come across makes you sound like a dick. Though it’s probably the autism

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              10 months ago

              Nah I’m just a consequentialist, we all kind of have that “your feelings do not deter me” vibe.

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      10 months ago

      “Outdoor domestic cats are a recognized threat to global biodiversity. Cats have contributed to the extinction of 63 species of birds, mammals, and reptiles in the wild”

      You shouldn’t be proud of contributing to the extinction of animals…

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      Your cat is your property. Keep it in your property. If your pet becomes my pest, it will be dealt with as such. I once had a neighbor’s cat almost rip through my window screen to get inside and go after my pet parrot. If the cat had made it inside, he would not have made it out alive.

      Then I could return it’s corpse to you, and you can tell me all about how they evolved alongside humans, and how that means you’re entitled to let your pet fuck up my yard, home and pets

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        10 months ago

        Fantasizing about killing pets is a strong indicator of psychopathy.

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            If your pet bird is being attacked by a cat, by all means, do what you have to. Daydreaming about murdering cats because they’re scratching at your window is some sick shit, though.