I’m done, I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I’ve been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I’ve ever had on any lemmy instance), I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.
Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers
It’s not the same view if one is defensive and the other is offensive. You don’t communicate a Nazi out of being a Nazi, it takes a willingness to hear things that are hard to hear. It’s commonly referred to as the just world fallacy and they don’t just need to be communicated with, they need therapy.
Well precisely. But how can you expect them to become willing if you just hurl insults back at them. They will assume you are exactly the person you think they are and isolate themselves further in that community. I’m not saying fight hate with love, but no progress can be made without a willingness to communicate.
They will think people are what they think they are regardless because a demagogue told them to. Like covid is a hoax while they watch people around them literally die from it. We’re not talking about rational or reasonable people here, we’re talking about people who are so lost they need professional help.
But that’s just the thing. It is entirely reasonable in their worldview. They don’t hate just because they love hating, at least not on a conscious level. They have a whole lore about their ideology too. The problem js lack of ability to think critically and echochambers to reinforce their views. Now imagine an open community, where everyone can have an opinion left, right, or center, but only get banned for being intentionally hurtful. We can save the people who have not yet come to a conclusion, rather than their beliefs essentially being validated through hostile responses.
We have gone so far goddamn south to the point people on the left think free speech is nothing more than a right wing dogwhistle.
How long you decide they just need professional help too.
It’s the inevitable bubbling of echochambers that’s so harmful, but so atteactive for people to take part in that i believe to be the reason for a lot of the world’s problems today. Including covid deniers mind you. If they were exposed to proper evidence before they got dragged into an echo chamber, do you think they still believe what they believe?
Most of them are normal people, not deranged monsters, but we cast them as such to make ourselves feel better and give an easy explanation as to how someone can end up like that.
I’d just like to point out that this entire comment chain is proof against OP’s point. Both of you are having a conversation about a politically heated topic, and since you are both being reasonable in communication with each other, neither of you are getting up or downvoted into oblivion. I get where you are coming from Wathek, I in fact even agree with you, but blahaj is likely a safe zone instance, the people there are there to have an escape/reprieve from the harsh realities of the real world. So it isnt the place to argue communication with people who are actively causing problems for that community. Its why I blocked twox as soon as it migrated here to lemmy, I’m not the target demographic and I dont particularly want to see the ugly side of their venting. Going into their instance to argue with them isn’t the right play
I think the mod glanced over the comment and was a little triggerhappy. It was not in a blahaj thread, and the post (along with the rest of the comment chain) first got removed for being off topic in that sub by the mods of thst instance. Which i guess is what got the blahaj mod’s attention.
I didn’t come to blahaj to be a contrarian. I like the place. That’s why i made my account there. I didnt go there to argue about politics, but if it keeps popping in my feed, i see someone with a bad take, i’m going to respond. If that’s what they decide to ban, so be it. ill find another place to call home in the fediverse.