You’re alright Drag. :-). And thank you for letting me vent and not calling me on it. I’m a lifelong Dem straight ticket voter who cant stand Biden. Or Harris.

You Lemmy.ml people asked Biden to step down because he’s old.

I asked him to step down because for the last 50 years he’s been an incredily bad democrat and never did deserve any of our support. His support of the far right murderous fascist zionist splinter group. His consistent racist “gaffes”. His lack of support for reproductive rights that he blamed on his catholicism. His stupid lawmaking about the drug wars, 3 strikes, and civil asset forfeiture. His 3 attempts to cut social security. His fascist-light policing viewpoints. His willingness to wade into peoples lives about gay rights when he should have just left everyone the hell alone and shut his piehole. His support and backing of a grifter lobbyist son. His lack of support for ending the filibuster, which just enables the GOP to hold the government hostage every few months. His lack of support for expanding the supreme court. His tired embrace of the worst of the GOP members. His backstabbing Obama on negotiations he should have kept out of. His consistent lack of support for health care reform and a public option. His utter shafting of Anita Hill in the Clarence Thomas confirmation trials, which should have been a layup for anyone competent, which gave us one of the worst Supreme court justices in our countrys history. In the last 50 years look at every wrong turn this country has taken, and You’ll find Bidens ugly mug leading the charge. The man is always wrong about nearly everything, and he never misses a chance to make a bad deal or sell out his party. He’s an idiot’s idiot and he never deserved any of your support.

“Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to fuck everything up”. –Barack Obama

Obama also urged Biden in 2016 and again in 2020 not to run.

Anyone remember this BS from our lord and savior Joe Biden?
https://theintercept.com/2023/05/23/biden-debt-ceiling-harry-reid-mitch-mcconnell/

This is the guy we’re getting all sentimental about? Your hero? You really think Joe Biden is the best the dems had to offer? That just tells me that many people dont actually read the news, and vote on personality vibes alone. Biden was about to lose to Donald Trump. Think about that for a minute. How bad do you have to lose the faith and support of your own party’s voters to lose to a man like that. Biden could only have possibly competed against someone as bad as Trump, and Trump could only have competed with someone as bad as Biden.

They don’t give a fuck about Palestinians. They just want to hurt Democrats.

Where did you get that fantasy take from? Got anything at all to back that up?

Biden quit the race because he had no path to victory. He was 100% going to lose. The betting odds have shifted against Harris and now Trump has a 55% chance of winning. Why? Because she comes across as a cop. Because she supports a genocide. Because she cant give a beleiveable speech that makes her seem relatable. Because she stupidly brags about owning a gun. Because she has drifted right and probably will continue to, looking to get votes that dont exist while she loses the left. This is another case of the dem establishment shitting the bed, same as they always do, and losing to a clear nutcase. Why is the Democratic party engaged in supporting a far right wing war? Its for some $$$, right? So hows that truning out? Not good? THEN WHY DID SHE TAKE THE MONEY? Why is our party so stupid.

Thats fine. Theres only 2% of the electorate who are jewish, and a good portion of that 2% also dont support the zionist faction. We give some of them and the youth voters a voice to fight on our behalf. We need to keep the youth vote on side or the party is long term doomed anyway. Any leader who says they are swayed by the voice of youth has a long career ahead of them.

We also say that, “we arent steering the US away from support of Israel, we’re steering it away from the far right government sponsored violence of Netenyahu.” And we claim we’re happy to be friends again when moderates or lefties are in charge in Israel. The zionists cant pretend to have clean hands, and Netenyahu needs to go.

Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.

Agreed fuckingkangaroos@, yeah, genocide is one thing, but anything you claim to be “rude” should not be tolerated. Tell that guy GOOD DAY, SIR. Its hard to believe anyone would act so rudely about some run-of-the-mill mass murder. I bet that guy uses his salad fork to eat his dinner too. You were right to run away not engage.

Youre not alone. I’m voting uncommitted along with many others.

Living in fear of right wing bullying is pathetic. You can cower or you can kick them in the face or ridicule them when they go low. The dems do far too much cowering. Americans love a good snappy comeback, and so far all we have doing it is old coach Waltz.

People liked Trumps sassy one liners too, as much as they didnt want to. And Bush’s. The more brazenly stupid the better.

The strong win and the weak cry about injustice.

Thats … awkward. By your understanding the WW2 holocaust was …fine and normal.

Thats how deep your morality goes huh. Wow. So you’re a Nazi then?

Not yet, but soon, they’d say.

I’ll throw in a few random thoughts there:

“The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

So lets look at what will unfold in the next few months concerning Gazan land in the Israeli legal system, and in the future, Lebanese land. Once a peice of land is considered Israel, Non jews are forbidden by the torah from owning it, and jews arent allowed to sell or transfer it to non jews. They are permitted to lease it to nonjews for up to 50 years until a “jubilee” year, at which point all leases automatically terminate and the land is returned to its rightful owners regardless of other considerations. https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5773-noach/ Thats for land not in a “town”. If its in a town those rules do not apply. If the land has no buildings or inhabitants (which is Gaza, now) its not a town anymore and is just “land”.

To add to this underdstanding of who owns ‘just land’, If you “find” land and improve it, with a single stepping stone even, if no one contests you after a period of 1 year, the land can be registered as yours thereafter. That is, barring any local laws which forbid such things (if say, you live in another country). But in war those laws are suspended as it is contested land. Land owners can also contest it by building an even better improvement than the interloper.

This derives from the idea that all land is actually owned by god, and Israelis are the people of god, amongst other concepts. Leviticus is chock full of land ownership rules, most of which never realy were implemented, although they are cited in disputes.

So, as we cross a year of north gaza being destroyed, religious israelis will now legally refer to all of it as unimproved land where no town sits.

As an ancillary consideration-- there are now few functioning religious sites present. This pertains to an exception about land reserved for religious purposes, and is why Palestinian graveyards were exhumed and erased, and mosques attacked. A mosque isnt a mosque if no one goes to it, and a graveyard isnt a graveyard if the bodies and markers are removed.

On the day the consideration is made the Israelis can clear out any inhabitants on it. If no one shows to the trial to contest, gaza will henceforth and forever be owned by israelis who register the land, and thus “gaza” will cease to legally exist as militarily occupied land, and will legally be considered Israel, by Israelis at least, and by people who consider these land rules to be a legitimate practice-- which surprisingly a lot of countries will do, because its customary to honor the laws of foriegn lands.

So look for that in the actions of their military in the week after the US election in November. They’ll probably eventually do it in souhtern Lebanon as well, if they can make enough excuses to bomb city blocks and hold them vacant for a year. The US will back the ownership transfer and say they customarily dont get involved in internal government issues, and have no room to comment, if local laws were followed. They will tell people to take it up with the Israeli courts.

Money absolutely makes the world go round. Who do we get angry at when our politicians got bought fair and square in a capitalist system? (Progressives and the youth is the easy answer of course, but I intended this to be a rhetorical question.).

Its not even illegal to bribe/lobby them.

Man. I wonder if we are going to lose. Its definitely possible at this point, but hard to imagine. How awful are our dem candidates to lose to an insane peice of human trash like Trump

Heres some of Ben Gurions more human quotes that show you where he was at when Israel was founded. (the rest if his are pretty bloodthirty) Does this look like religious hatred to you or just a desire to steal land?

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

Are we still pretending the western powers cares about human rights abuses? While they actively fund a genocide of civilians? What a pathetic joke.

Hamas tried immediately to trade the Israeli hostages for hostages the Israelis are holding, without charge, withour trail, indefinitely. israel said no. But no one ever wants to talk about the hostages the Israelis took before Oct 7. They want to pretend this started on Oct 7.

They are there because the Israelis act like spolied violent children. They dont WANT to be there.

I’m sure the US will protest this time with real energy

Are you thinking ‘sternly worded memo’ or ‘a leak that Biden is outraged behind the scenes’, but not officially? Those seem extreme.

How about one or all 3 of these:

1. We order 100 pizzas to the Netenyahu family house that they didnt even order themselves, and leak a photo of Biden on the phone to the media. We’ll pay for those pizzas of course.
2. We could also send a prepaid hot stone masseuse to their home who also had a mildly questionable political bumper sticker on their car.
3. We could send the far right Israel government leaders on a luxury vacation, but ensure that the little bottles of alchohol in first class on the plane are extra small sized. I’ve never been in first class myself, but I can imagine that would be extremely frustrating.

The Israelis did it in 2006 as well. killed 4 UN peacekeepers chilling in their post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_incidents_during_the_2006_Lebanon_War

They did it during the 6 day war too, if I recall correctly. Rolled up on some UN peacekeepers trying to leave the sinai and opened up on them.

Its clearly standard operating procedure to murder some UN peacekeepers. Its not like they are hard to pick out in their blue painted vehicles and structures. Its just plain old murder.

the countires those soldiers are from should bring in some jets and take care of that problem. Putitng up with being shot by far right wing fascists is some shameful bullshit.