I don’t get what’s controversial about Netflix making sure their customers keep their promises.
The good thing about Netflix is that they don’t lock you in for 12-24 months. So you’re free to cancel whenever you want. Compare that to the agreement you have with your internet provider.
With that said, you who cancelled Netflix because of this change, what streaming service did you move to that didn’t enforce on account per household?
Netflix making sure their customers keep their promises
Netflix sold me a 4 screens shareable account. They then broke their promise and removed the shareable part. WTF are you talking about, or was that simply sarcasm?
That’s correct. My point was that Netflix is now a low quality overpriced non-essential product. Why not just cut it without adding yet another subscription to your life?
With that said, you who cancelled Netflix because of this change, what streaming service did you move to that didn’t enforce on account per household?
No streaming service has a “on[e] account per household” rule so I’m not really sure what you mean. Are you saying “what streaming service allows password sharing?” The answer is all of them except Netflix and Apple sort of (Apple cleverly tied it to having an Apple ID so credit where credit is due. It’s just too difficult to password share outside your family. But in theory you can).
I didn’t cancel netflix, but I didn’t bother to make my own account when I got booted from my parents’ account. Because Netflix doesn’t make enough good stuff to justify it anymore and they cancel everything too quickly. I’m actually happier paying for Apple TV+ or whatever it’s called because the price is good and the content is like nothing I’ve ever seen half the time. I can just browse PlutoTV and/or Tubi and I’ve got 90% of the quality I see at Netflix for $free.99.
I don’t get what’s controversial about Netflix making sure their customers keep their promises.
This is a tad dramatic, we don’t have a moral obligation to netflix. Account holders agreed to terms and to make it sound so important as a personal promise is a bit much. Either way, you’re totally right, Netflix is within their rights to boot people. I think most people get that. But they also allowed the status quo for 16 years, so this is their fault. They set an expectation and created a sharing culture that almost, quite literally, crosses generations. They wanted to be in more homes faster and that was the cost. Then they’re surprised when they say “hey it’s over” and people are vocalizing their displeasure? Again, it’s their right, but what did they (or you) expect to happen?
Either way it doesn’t matter. If their balance sheet works it works. I just can’t quite see why you’re riding in defense of Netflix.
Yeah they’re allowed to but we get to be mad at them and factor that anger into our decisions regarding their product. Few if any people are saying that this behavior should be illegal, we’re saying it’s frustrating how few people are taking that anger into action
“…but I didn’t bother to make my own account when I got booted from my parents’ account. Because Netflix doesn’t make enough good stuff to justify it anymore and they cancel everything too quickly.”
So you actually don’t care about Netflix enforcing the agreement since you don’t care about Netflix.
I agree on Netflix not making much good stuff. A lot of the Netflix movies people are praising today would never have passed the pre production phase in the 90’s or 00’s.
It just seems like there has been a general decline in quality the last 10 years and people had just gotten used to it and get happy for whatever is better than the latest upcoming remake/sequel.
I also agree about Apple producing quality. In my opinion they’re the only streaming service that doesn’t fill their catalogue with bullshit just to look bigger.
All other services not requiring one account per household is simply not true. Netflix is probably the only service actively stating that account sharing is okay.
For example, Disney Plus terms states that you are not allowed to share your credentials to a 3rd party.
The reason that some services are more lenient on this issue is that they are still focusing on gaining market shares. Next phase is starting to focus on how to getting profitable.
Netflix might be the first one cracking down on this but they are definitively not the last one doing that.
If the streaming services don’t make sure it’s enforced the copyright holders will.
So you actually don’t care about Netflix enforcing the agreement since you don’t care about Netflix.
Why does that matter? Don’t discount my opinion simply because I don’t care enough about netflix’s content to pay for it. Nothing I’ve said hinges on that.
All other services not requiring one account per household is simply not true. Netflix is probably the only service actively stating that account sharing is okay. For example, Disney Plus terms states that you are not allowed to share your credentials to a 3rd party.
Netflix said the same things in its terms for 16 years. Would you have said “netflix doesn’t allow account sharing”? Because that’s a pretty ridiculous claim when functionally they did and everyone else does. I currently only pay for HBO, yet I’m on Prime, Hulu, and Disney+. Terms or not, we know what the reality is. So let’s not hide behind faux-legalese and arguments even you don’t believe man.
The reason that some services are more lenient on this issue is that they are still focusing on gaining market shares. Next phase is starting to focus on how to getting profitable.
They aren’t lenient, they literally don’t enforce it. And it’s not just “some,” it’s all but Netflix and Apple* (as explained above). Because functionally it’s allowed.
Netflix might be the first one cracking down on this but they are definitively not the last one doing that.
No doubt about it, but not sure its relevance.
If the streaming services don’t make sure it’s enforced the copyright holders will.
This sounds highly speculative.
Edit: I’m also not sure you really answered the “one account per household” thing. You are very precious about the ToS (or “promise” as you call it) so I’m curious what you meant by this.
The reason I chose the word “promise” is because people often, especially in discussions regarding Netflix latest nice, tend to forget/ don’t understand what it means when you sign an agreement.
I personally don’t care if people get angry if Netflix hold them liable to the agreement they signed out if they get angry after getting a parking fine.
Regarding the ToS, do you mean that Netflix never made a change in the terms regarding sharing account before enforcing the new stuff or do you agree that the terms now regulate who you can and who you can’t share your account with?
I don’t know how much clearer I can make this. We are talking about what is written and what is functionally happening. It’s like jaywalking. If you jaywalk, and someone said “jaywalking is illegal,” you would roll your eyes because literally everybody does it.
All of these services say it’s one account per person (again, not a household). But none of them enforce it. So for the last 16 years Netflix has functionally not had that rule. I do not understand how you are confused by this concept. I feel like I’ve been pretty clear about it and it’s self evident. It is pointless to say “you’re not allowed to share accounts“ when it was rampant and Netflix did not care. We aren’t idiots, we know they are choosing to enforce it now. That’s literally what this entire discussion is about.
So what do you think is the reason why people are mad at Netflix? Is it because Netflix didn’t stop some customers from not following the agreement earlier or is it because the customers can’t continue to not following the agreement?
American phone and internet prices are crazy, they’re six times what I pay in the UK and come with so many bullshit fees and lock in clauses. Netflix being better than the worst of the worst doesn’t mean it’s not still shitty.
But yeah I do kinda agree, it’s a company giving you a choice to buy their shitty product for a high price - just say no and get your entertainment elsewhere, they make shit write-by-numbers time fillers no one actually needs it in their life. It’s the telecoms and other essential services we should be mad at, and by mad at I mean nationalising and open sourcing
I don’t get what’s controversial about Netflix making sure their customers keep their promises.
The good thing about Netflix is that they don’t lock you in for 12-24 months. So you’re free to cancel whenever you want. Compare that to the agreement you have with your internet provider.
With that said, you who cancelled Netflix because of this change, what streaming service did you move to that didn’t enforce on account per household?
Netflix sold me a 4 screens shareable account. They then broke their promise and removed the shareable part. WTF are you talking about, or was that simply sarcasm?
If you read the agreement you agreed ro it clearly says they are allowed to change the terms and you are free to cancel the subscription.
They didn’t break any promises.
Oh so netflix can change its mind randomly but we can’t, cool cool cool.
You can choose not to pay any time.
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We replaced Netflix with nothing. The loss has made no discernable negative impact on our lives.
I just use stremio now
Ok. Then you probably didn’t need Netflix anyways?
Need? As in require? Does anybody?
As I understood it you cancelled Netflix and didn’t sign up for a substitute.
That’s correct. My point was that Netflix is now a low quality overpriced non-essential product. Why not just cut it without adding yet another subscription to your life?
Nobody needs Netflix.
No streaming service has a “on[e] account per household” rule so I’m not really sure what you mean. Are you saying “what streaming service allows password sharing?” The answer is all of them except Netflix and Apple sort of (Apple cleverly tied it to having an Apple ID so credit where credit is due. It’s just too difficult to password share outside your family. But in theory you can).
I didn’t cancel netflix, but I didn’t bother to make my own account when I got booted from my parents’ account. Because Netflix doesn’t make enough good stuff to justify it anymore and they cancel everything too quickly. I’m actually happier paying for Apple TV+ or whatever it’s called because the price is good and the content is like nothing I’ve ever seen half the time. I can just browse PlutoTV and/or Tubi and I’ve got 90% of the quality I see at Netflix for $free.99.
This is a tad dramatic, we don’t have a moral obligation to netflix. Account holders agreed to terms and to make it sound so important as a personal promise is a bit much. Either way, you’re totally right, Netflix is within their rights to boot people. I think most people get that. But they also allowed the status quo for 16 years, so this is their fault. They set an expectation and created a sharing culture that almost, quite literally, crosses generations. They wanted to be in more homes faster and that was the cost. Then they’re surprised when they say “hey it’s over” and people are vocalizing their displeasure? Again, it’s their right, but what did they (or you) expect to happen?
Either way it doesn’t matter. If their balance sheet works it works. I just can’t quite see why you’re riding in defense of Netflix.
Yeah they’re allowed to but we get to be mad at them and factor that anger into our decisions regarding their product. Few if any people are saying that this behavior should be illegal, we’re saying it’s frustrating how few people are taking that anger into action
“…but I didn’t bother to make my own account when I got booted from my parents’ account. Because Netflix doesn’t make enough good stuff to justify it anymore and they cancel everything too quickly.”
So you actually don’t care about Netflix enforcing the agreement since you don’t care about Netflix.
I agree on Netflix not making much good stuff. A lot of the Netflix movies people are praising today would never have passed the pre production phase in the 90’s or 00’s. It just seems like there has been a general decline in quality the last 10 years and people had just gotten used to it and get happy for whatever is better than the latest upcoming remake/sequel.
I also agree about Apple producing quality. In my opinion they’re the only streaming service that doesn’t fill their catalogue with bullshit just to look bigger.
All other services not requiring one account per household is simply not true. Netflix is probably the only service actively stating that account sharing is okay. For example, Disney Plus terms states that you are not allowed to share your credentials to a 3rd party.
The reason that some services are more lenient on this issue is that they are still focusing on gaining market shares. Next phase is starting to focus on how to getting profitable.
Netflix might be the first one cracking down on this but they are definitively not the last one doing that.
If the streaming services don’t make sure it’s enforced the copyright holders will.
Why does that matter? Don’t discount my opinion simply because I don’t care enough about netflix’s content to pay for it. Nothing I’ve said hinges on that.
Netflix said the same things in its terms for 16 years. Would you have said “netflix doesn’t allow account sharing”? Because that’s a pretty ridiculous claim when functionally they did and everyone else does. I currently only pay for HBO, yet I’m on Prime, Hulu, and Disney+. Terms or not, we know what the reality is. So let’s not hide behind faux-legalese and arguments even you don’t believe man.
They aren’t lenient, they literally don’t enforce it. And it’s not just “some,” it’s all but Netflix and Apple* (as explained above). Because functionally it’s allowed.
No doubt about it, but not sure its relevance.
This sounds highly speculative.
Edit: I’m also not sure you really answered the “one account per household” thing. You are very precious about the ToS (or “promise” as you call it) so I’m curious what you meant by this.
The reason I chose the word “promise” is because people often, especially in discussions regarding Netflix latest nice, tend to forget/ don’t understand what it means when you sign an agreement.
I personally don’t care if people get angry if Netflix hold them liable to the agreement they signed out if they get angry after getting a parking fine.
Regarding the ToS, do you mean that Netflix never made a change in the terms regarding sharing account before enforcing the new stuff or do you agree that the terms now regulate who you can and who you can’t share your account with?
I don’t know how much clearer I can make this. We are talking about what is written and what is functionally happening. It’s like jaywalking. If you jaywalk, and someone said “jaywalking is illegal,” you would roll your eyes because literally everybody does it.
All of these services say it’s one account per person (again, not a household). But none of them enforce it. So for the last 16 years Netflix has functionally not had that rule. I do not understand how you are confused by this concept. I feel like I’ve been pretty clear about it and it’s self evident. It is pointless to say “you’re not allowed to share accounts“ when it was rampant and Netflix did not care. We aren’t idiots, we know they are choosing to enforce it now. That’s literally what this entire discussion is about.
So what do you think is the reason why people are mad at Netflix? Is it because Netflix didn’t stop some customers from not following the agreement earlier or is it because the customers can’t continue to not following the agreement?
Dude I have explained it so many times. I’m done lol
American phone and internet prices are crazy, they’re six times what I pay in the UK and come with so many bullshit fees and lock in clauses. Netflix being better than the worst of the worst doesn’t mean it’s not still shitty.
But yeah I do kinda agree, it’s a company giving you a choice to buy their shitty product for a high price - just say no and get your entertainment elsewhere, they make shit write-by-numbers time fillers no one actually needs it in their life. It’s the telecoms and other essential services we should be mad at, and by mad at I mean nationalising and open sourcing
I have never claimed that Netflix is a good company or that they offer a good product.
All I’m saying it’s that Netflix are free to change the terms and the customers are free to stop paying if they don’t like the terms.
I setup Jellyfin last night 😎
Then you’re not in the target group for Netflix. (Neither am I since I never stopped using my Kodi setup).
Piracy was the only thing that brought us Spotify, Netflix and affordable games on PC.