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Admiral Snaccbar @Chris Mench Serving shrimp with the tail still on when it’s already mixed into something (pasta, rice, etc) is insane.

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    When driving you are making things more dangerous and less efficient by waving people in. If it is your right of way take it.

    Be predictable, not polite.

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      Almost got into an accident last night on this. Car 1 stopped at a 4way to my right, Car 2 opposite me stopped, then I stopped. Distinctly. Whole ass seconds between all stops. Me and 2 are waiting for 1 to go. It’s 11:00pm. I can’t say for sure, but I just KNOW Car 1 was waving his hands at us, who can’t see through his windshield because that’s how night time works. Way too much time passes, and me and 2 are like, fuck it and start going, then 1 flashes his brights and goes narrowly missing both of us. Was he just really wanting to be an a car accident? Is he drunk? Who knows, but half the accidents I’ve narrowly avoided involve a 4 way stop and an idiot.

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      I point this out to my kids on a regular basis. My oldest is 15 and about to get his license. I tell him that cars being polite are being dicks to those behind them.

      Your quote is the exact quote I say to him.

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      Drivers that want to queue in single file when you should use all available lanes and then merge in turn at the front.

      REEEEEEEEEE!!!

      Edit: I really want to know the thoughts of the people that downvoted this lol

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        Simple, orderly zippering when a lane actually ends is the way. Wasting that useful pavement to create slower traffic and more traffic jam is insane and should be ticketed.

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          The most infuriating are the wannabe policeman that straddle both lanes to stop people passing.

          Like, if you wanna sit in a queue for no reason then good for you, don’t stop people passing that have actually bothered to read the highway code.

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            Yeah. It isn’t about cheating, fairness, who got in a lane first. Isn’t territory to defend. We don’t have to enforce rules on each other. The traffic planners and road crews went through a bit of effort with like signs and cones and shit to tell us where they want us to merge. Zippering helps everyone go faster. Kinda why the planners want us to do it.

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        Got into that with my MIL once.

        When confronted with the idea of leaving an emergency lane in a traffic jam, she also vehemently insisted she’d never done that.

        That woman shouldn’t drive.

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      I fucking hate this because it creates ambiguity, usually at times when things need to happen very quickly. It always seems to happen at busy intersections when I’ve got mere seconds to get through, usually a left hand turn. I’m waiting because I need to make the turn, there’s a person across from me going straight who will have the right of way and I can’t go til they go, but I’m looking back and forth waiting for an opening for when that person will go (and then me). The opening comes… and I wait… and they wait, and then I see this fucking person is looking at me like a jackass like they were doing me a favor. The favor would’ve been them following the goddamn right of way, then we both could’ve gone to where we needed to go, now I have to wait again.

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      In my city there is a very popular good samaritan trap on the main drag into town, and I am waiting for the day something nasty happens at that particular parking lot entrance, so then they maybe redesign that section of the street or something.

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      I first thought you were talking about waving to pedestrians to cross when you stop to let them go. Which (edit: stopping and waiting) is a correct and expected behaviour, afaik

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        Stopping for pedestrians at cross walks is correct, but you should never be waving at anyone to go.

        When you wave at people to go they are less likely to check that the other lanes are safe for them to cross. You stop and look right at them so they know you see them and wait until they go on their own.

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        That’s fine. That’s telling a pedestrian you have seen them and are obeying the rules of the road. That’s reasonable.

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      Misunderstanding “right of way” is half the problem.

      Right of way is ability to make a road, or the road itself by extension. You can’t have the right of way - it’s usually the government’s - and you can’t give it away. This is why wording is consistently who must yield the right of way, and not who has the right of way.

      If it’s a driver’s turn to act, they are obligated to act. It’s not their option or right to act.

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        I’ve usually heard “right of way” used in terms of sense 3 of the dictionary. I’ve never heard it used to refer to the ability to make a road – that just makes me think you have a skilled construction crew on speed dial.

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          Dictionaries list common usage - even if incorrect. Look up the definition of right of way for your state or other government and I’m certain it will be the thing on which you travel or the right to create and manage it, not your “rights” while traveling on it.

          I couldn’t find a list of all definitions by state but the three states I checked all use that.

          It would be weird if they didn’t, since that’s been the term since before automobiles existed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_way

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        Indeed, in the boating world, the words are “stand-on” or “burdened” vessel, which makes it clear that the vessel that should continue its course has the obligation to do so under the collision regulations. The “give way” vessel should alter its course or intentions to “keep clear.” Nobody — nobody! — has the “right of way.”

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        There’s actually no legal definition for “right of way” in the UK. Despite it being a widely understood concept, if you go to court to defend yourself in a road traffic accident and your defence is “it was my right of way, your honour”, you could find yourself in trouble.

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            Ok. I was referring to the commonly known and understood “right of way” in regards to road traffic, I thought that was obvious but perhaps I could have made it clearer, but thanks for letting me know of the term in regards to access to land and public rights of way.

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    Yeah I’ve never understood if they expect me to just eat the tail, or start playing with my pasta with my hands to pull them off. Certainly not gonna waste like half my shrimp by just cutting the meat where the tail starts.

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      “Oh yes sure please make my comfort food more difficult to eat thanks”

      I’m right there with you. Serving shrimp tail-on might as well be serving something on a log instead of a plate.

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      Assert dominance by eating as per normal and when you encounter a tail, spit it at the chef.

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            Oh trust me, I don’t need the extra awkwardness!

            Chef: (Still holding towel after wiping 13 shrimp tail shells off his face) Back again?!

            Me: (Awkwardly hovering in the doorway) Yeah sorry, I was going back and forth on this but I found a shell piece all by itself with no shrimp in it and while I have no reason to put it in my mouth I figured I needed to show conviction to impress my date so… PATOOIE

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        My dad leaves the shell fully on as a stand-alone appetizer of grilled shrimp, so the shrimp is entirely covered in shell. It took until the third time my ex had dinner there for him to ask why the shrimp was so crunchy and for me to realize I’d forgotten to warn him.

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      Press the very start of the tail with your fork sideways so it’s cut, then pull the shrimp from the tail with the fork and knife.

      Anyway, the post is right, it’s borderline violent insanity.

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        Yeah but that’s such a fiddly process. I’ve sprayed pasta and sauce all over the table because my knife or fork slipped trying to do surgery on my food

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        I don’t get when a fancy restaurant does it. If it’s not a Cajun boil or similar vibe, please don’t try to make me look polite deconstructing seafood.

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        Great! My fork slipped while trying to perform this insane feat of dexterity and my shrimp flew across the restaurant!

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      I was on a school trip to a hotel, and was handed some dragon fruit. They didn’t tell me how to eat it, so I bit right into it. Took out a big chunk and wanting to try something new I kept chewing it.

      The man had a look of what was a mix between horror and surprise on his face and told me to spit it out.

      Not really a plate but I was handed something with inedible parts and no instructions. Similar I suppose?

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      Not sure if this is a thing everywhere, but a lot of bakeries around here will serve baked goods on a plate with a napkin under the baked goods. Not a big problem with things like croissants, but when cakes and stuff with sticky bottoms are served like this, it drives me insane. Both the purpose of the napkin and the plate has been defeated.

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      Fun fact: The original purpose of parsley on a plate was that it was there for you to eat. Specifically there for you to eat at the end of a meal as a breath freshener.

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      Skewers and other utensils are obviously OK. Some parts of natural foods can sometimes act like skewers or utensils, too, so that just becomes a normal part of the presentation and eating method. Like cocktail shrimp should still have the tails on, as a little handle.

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      When I was a little kid, I ate one of those red peppers at a Chinese restaurant. I didn’t know that you were supposed to pick them out. This probably explains my love of spicy food.

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        You were supposed to not eat those? Well, I figured, I’m not obligated to eat everything if I want less spicy, but I never thought that those are decorative

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      I wouldn’t say insane but that’s defo against the rules for me. I often have chefs who want us to leave the bellybuttons on cherry tomatoes and I get this mildly niggling feeling because I read a few years ago that they’re poisonous.

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        They’re not. Trust me, my niece ate almost nothing except grape/cherry tomatoes for the first 4 years of her life, she’d never have made it. I’ve personally eaten whole cherry tomatoes more days than I haven’t in the last month and I feel great.

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        Can you direct me to any sort of source on that? I did a brief search, and I see some information about toxins found in tomato plants in general, (mostly stems, leaves, and green/unripe tomatoes), but nothing that specifically discusses a higher concentration in the “belly button” (I assume you mean the core/where the stem connects?) vs. the rest of the fruit.

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          Well like I say, I just read it somewhere a few years ago, and I’ve just had a brief search myself and found the same thing as you basically.

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        On cherry tomatoes they’re so tiny it doesn’t really matter. You can even eat the stems in larger tomatoes once in a while (though it tastes bad), the amount of solanine left is miniscule. On ripe tomatoes that is.

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          In my case, I think it’s because when my siblings and I were kids, we only got to eat the tail because my parents wouldn’t get shrimp for us but for themselves and then not eat the tail which we would.

          I mean, I am insane, but that’s not why.

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            I have no opinion on eating the tail of the shrimp with the rest of it. The concept of ordering or cooking shrimp, eating the flesh, and then giving someone else the tail is absolutely INSANE to me. It sounds like a bit from a sitcom.

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            …I didn’t even know eating the tail was an option. Like, it’s pure fucking chitin - there’s nothing to emulsify. It’s like trying to eat a fingernail, or piece of plastic.

            Squeezing that last little nub of meat out of it, yeah, but the tail itself? Dafuq?

            Or are we talking about that little nub of meat tucked away in the chitin hole? Just realized we might be calling two different things the ‘tail’.

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              No, the thread is about the crunchy bit. With cocktail shrimp I find it’s better to squeeze the meat out but when the shrimp is cooked and covered in sauce a lot of times I just find it less of a pain to get the meat out alone (especially if they leave the whole shell on after removing only the head and legs).

              I didn’t use to eat the shell but after moving to Asia I ended up caring a lot less about whether I eat it or not. I also have other lazy/weird food opinions though-- like I’ll just eat the whole kiwi if im too lazy to go get a knife and spoon-- so maybe that plays into it as well

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      So… Hey Lemmy… Does everybody wanna meet this dude?

      Dude’s everywhere. We need to meet this dude.

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    Not only does pineapple belong on pizza, ham & pineapple pizza is the only pizza that is consistent in all three states: fresh and hot, cold, and reheated.

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      I despise when people are food traditionalists. If we listened to them, we’d still be eating like British people.

      I grew up in El Salvador listening to people insist that only beans, cheese and pork go in pupusas. Otherwise it’s a sin! Well the young people now make them with everything you can think of from shrimp to sweet potato and it’s incredible.

      You don’t like pineapple on pizza don’t eat it

      To add my personal opinion. New York/North American pizza is better than Italian pizza

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      The reason why it’s good when reheated is the moisture in the pineapple. It keeps the dough from becoming a rock formation when reheating.

      For non-pineapple pizza, adding a bowl of water into the microwave has the same effect.

      That said, the argument is not whether pineapple is good on pizza or not, ofc it is, everything is good on pizza. But is it the best topping? No, that’s anchovies and capers (olives are good too).

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      Hmmm while I agree about Hawaiian pizza, I will say that cheese pizza shares the properties of consistency of all 3 states.

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    My wife eats the tail. She’s Japanese, that’s normal. I don’t though, so please no tails mixed in…

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      Hah, my Japanese wife has convinced me to eat them too. I eat about 50% of them now.

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        Alright, I’m off to search what nutrients shrimp tails have now.

        Couldn’t find much. Most everything I found is that they are mostly chitin and they have fiber, omega 3’s, and no real break downs of nutritional facts. Lots of recommendations to just fry them, and one that said to save the tails/exoskeletons and put them in the freezer to turn into a stock. Lots of “just fry the whole thing”. I rarely eat shrimp, but maybe I’ll try the stock and then drain, season/cornstarch and fry the tails at some point to see if they can be made to taste like spicy shrimp chips?

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        More power to ya! What about natto? She tried to get me to like it but I can’t tolerate the smell. I found it’s a very easy lunch for my 2 year old who loves it, though.

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          Mix in a little mustard and some tare sauce. I didn’t like it at first but the taste just seems earthy to me now. I also don’t really eat it with rice. Either in those fish sausage tube things or alone on a spoon (which also cuts down on the stringy trails you have to deal with).

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          Yeah, no, I don’t like the smell, taste, or texture. I have made natto for her in an instant pot, though. She said it came out okay but I still didn’t eat it!

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      Look up “spaghetti allo scoglio”, basically spaghetti with various shelfish (and other sea food). They leave all the shells on by design. They also bring a separate empty plate on the side to dump them in, and a wet (lemon) wipe to clean yourself after. Cleaning the molluscs from the shells it’s basically part of enjoying the plate. And it’s good!

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        I’m sure the dish is delicious. But when I go to a restaurant and I have to do work to eat to food, I always get annoyed. I’m paying for this meal so I don’t have to work, dammit.

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      I eat the tail too. Not because of cultural reasons, but because lazy AF and ain’t nobody got time to separate them.

      Its also why I dont eat fish that isn’t deboned.

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        Ah, that logic sounds like you eat strawberries with the leaves still attached because you can’t be bothered to remove them, haha.

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    Hicks and Newt had to die in the beginning of Alien 3 in order for the film to thematically even be an Alien film.

    At their heart, the films are about Ripley being alone, more in common with the titular alien than with her termporary allies. She’s an outsider in her crew. She’s a civilian among marines. She’s a woman among convicts. She’s lost her child, she’s lost 57 years of her life. The Alien is her only real touchstone now, and in a way that is very expressly shown in the films, that becomes a kind of “relationship” in itself. She’s closer to the alien than she is to the people who surround her.

    If Hicks and Newt survived and were part of Alien 3, it takes that away and makes it an ensemble cast, which thematically doesn’t fit, and (I think) it’s one of the reasons that a lot of the new Alien films just don’t feel like Alien films; they’re missing that key thematic ingredient. Ripley is a tragic character, doomed to battle alone against the only thing she has left in her life.

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      I defend this position. Still, they should have given those characters better deaths.

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        they should have given those characters better deaths

        That I absolutely agree with. They did 'em dirty with how they took them out.

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      Aliens also didn’t thematically fit with the first Alien. As the title indicates, there are many aliens not an alien that was alone. Burke was also a civilian, so Ripley was not the lone civilian. And at the end of the movie she was not alone unlike in the first one. Well I guess Jonesy made it out ok, so she wasn’t alone at the end of the first one either.

      Aliens was not thematically consistent with the first one and that’s what made it great. There really isn’t a mystery about the Alien and how dangerous it is after the first one so trying to recreate it wouldn’t work. So instead of working class people being forced into a situation they didn’t understand and weren’t prepared for, we see a group of well armed soldiers going into a situation they were briefed on. This time the humans are going to kick ass! Except no, they get their asses to them. And themes about motherhood can be added (both for Ripley and the Aliens).

      Alien 3 wasn’t entirely thematically consistent either. I do remember it exploring some themes about religion (it’s been a long time since I watched it tho) which is something the previous movies didn’t go into. Also Ripley dies at the end which inconsistent with the theme of survival.

      To me story is more important than themes anyway. If Ripley has to be alone at the beginning of every movie it makes the story of her character really boring.

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        This is a real thing people do. My wife is one of them. I tried it; it’s not as bad as you’d think, but I’d still rather not.

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      I like a crisp fried tail it’s baller, but in like pasta it’s just hard to eat for no real flavor or textural payoff

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      It’s more that why would you want to eat it?

      Do you also eat the bones when you get other meats?

      Do you eat the skin of bananas or oranges?

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        Vegetarian here so can’t answer for the meat and bones, but absolutely on the fruit and veggie front. Peels have a ton of nutrients, texture, and flavour

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            I do haha. I know it sounds gross to a lot of people, but once you get over the mental block of “only the fruit inside is food” that most of us are raised with, they’re actually quite tasty. You can dry them out and make a tasty snack too if you don’t want to raw dog them

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                I know lemon and orange peels have a lot of flavor because I’ll scrape a bit for “lemon zest” in some dishes. It however, does not mean I eat the peels.

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          No one is arguing whether peels have nutrients. Do you eat banana peels and citrus rinds? That seems highly unlikely as they’re not palatable.

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            Yes, I do. That’s what I was saying I’m my comment above. And just because you perceive them as highly unpalatable, does not mean thst everyone else does too.

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    This is Korea. For whatever reason every single animal they consume that has unpleasant bits inside, they leave em in. Bony fish, bony chicken, grisly pork, soup full of shelled shellfish, and shrimp with tails. Hell, frequently entire shrimp head and all. Also locally where I live they have these different shrimp that have I dunno extra tough and sharp carapace. They don’t even try to shuck those things.

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      I’ve had similar experiences with SE Asian cuisine. They just don’t seem to have the same standards for butchering and meat preparation that we do in the West. Hell, I know of one SE Asian culture that doesn’t even have any sort of defined meat cuts. They just chop it all up into big chunks. Doesn’t matter what part of the animal it is, it’s getting chopped up into big bits.

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        Oh definitely. It wasn’t that long ago there were some pretty hard times here. The older generation remembers.

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            My grandma is over 100 and still licks the plate clean after eating. Things like that get ingrained with you

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            My mom was born during the Great Depression and re-uses ziplock bags. On the other hand, she insists on brand-name everything instead of generics or store brands, so it’s not purely about frugality.

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              Yeah but name brands mean you buy it once and it doesn’t fail as often, is the argument for that I get from those of that generation.

              And I mean I get it. Buy a cheap pair of shoes or a good pair and you will realize you will go through 3 of the cheap pairs at half price compared to buying 1 good pair.

              Though less so with each passing year since name brands are designed to fail now too.

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                Yeah, I’m 30 and I feel like I’ve never had the experience of being able to rely on a name brand consistently. Everything seems to fall apart. Sometimes you get something great, but when it comes time to replace it and you buy the exact same thing from the exact same company it comes at a much lower quality

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                  Ironically, it was about 30 years ago that brand names started really leaning into shrinkflation, and enshitification, riding off the merits of their previously good name.

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                  Its so fricking hard to find the trustworthy brands.

                  I’m honestly just so willing to not have any brand loyalty and to suffer with making a bad pick that I have to return or fix myself, I constantly having to re-find what is considered actually good quality.

                  The answer is a lot of name brand in the higher price range but not so high that it’s just for padding a contractor’s quote and percent take home is still good quality. And you can never go for the same model twice if the company is doing constant refreshes cause those are with cheaper components every time. (Allowance for first refresh fixing a flaw)

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    When someone does not like garlic bread, Allah Willing, they shall know no happiness, and shall not live long.

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    None of the doom and gloom really matters, every human in history has lived in a time of crisis. How we handle the challenges at hand determine the challenges for those that follow, but panicking about it is a waste of energy.

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    Same with meat on the bone for me. Like… I love a biryani, but it’s so much better when the chicken/lamb is boneless. I get that the bone imparts some flavor, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort and mess.

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      Anything I can’t eat with my hands, should not be covered in a sauce that I don’t want on my hands.

      Fried shrimp with tails = fine. Bone-in chicken legs = fine. Bone-in chicken in biryani = not ordering. Shrimp with tail in pasta = sin against god and crime against humanity.

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        Buffalo wings violate that rule and I’m not prepared to give them up.

        For me, the rule would be: if it’s a dish meant to be eaten with utensils, don’t include inedible parts that have to be separated by hand.

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          Ribs. I don’t mind saucy ribs. I suppose if you are supposed to use your hands, maybe it’s okay if they get a bit saucy.

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            Yeah I think that’s the big thing: don’t have a dish that requires shifting from utensil to fingers and back… especially if there’s sauce.

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          I don’t really like buffalo wings. I know boneless wings are basically just “nuggies”, but I prefer them, especially if things are getting saucy.

          A dry spice blend can make for acceptable wings, but I actually still prefer something like a spicy breading and a bigger piece of chicken, if I’m going to have to deal with bones.

          But, I will admit that is a good border case, and isn’t quite the sin that shrimp w/ tail covered in cream sauce is.