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Remember when abolishing TSA was an anti-Bush liberal cause - a defense of basic civil liberties against encroaching fascism? Now Trump says something negative about the TSA and the liberals reflexively jump to its defense.
Fuck Trump, fuck the TSA, and fuck anyone whose politics change with the weather.
I think this post is more about the “key aviation safety advisory committee” being gutted right before the worst air disaster in over a decade.
I don’t really see people defending TSA anywhere. I just see people pointing out that Trump thinks DEI initiatives are at fault, while simultaneously thinking that thinning out the workforce in a notoriously understaffed field will strengthen the workforce.
I was about to clarify a few minutes ago, they were defending the TSA on reddit. “This is how you get 9/11” or something like that.
Yes I’ve seen a lot defending TSA on Instagram as well
Half of reddit wasn’t even born yet when we were bitching about the post 9/11 security theater
Bin Laden said he did 9/11 to bring attention to the Palestinians suffering. So supporting zionism is how we got 9/11. About two and a half decades later we havent learned a single thing. If anything we care less about human lives all the time.
GOD DAMN DEI HIRES
Just look at this:
Rich people = Less than 10% of US population
US Cabinet = Rich people are basically all of them
God Damn DEI and the minority (Rich People) runing everything.
How did a DEMENTED OLD CONVICTED FELON became president?
Fucking woke AF
Go to a old people prison
jesus fucking christ
You will never convince me he is not Russia’s boytoy here. Putin has got to be grinning his ass off right now
No, i think you’re wrong. It has nothing to do with Russia. Rather,
Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall (TRPF) is at work and is causing wages to decline over time. This was predicted as far back as the 19th century, and it took a long time (longer than most people expected) to carry out, but now we’re seeing the consequences.
Through the centuries, we (humanity) have seen multiple waves of development:
- agricultural
- industrial (heavy machines)
- informational
Now, the last of these three big waves is coming to an end (rapid internet enshittification), humanity ceases to be able to give meaningful employment to the people. This is why we’re seeing a rise in bullshit jobs and working poor - because wages are falling.
People like Trump held the belief for a long time that it was because people were getting “lazy and inefficient”, and if they return to power, they’re gonna kick everyone’s ass, reduce avocado toasts, and get the economy flowing again. Truth is, however, and Trump will have to admit this, that the people’s employment/economy is slowing down NOT because of lazyness, but because there’s simply not much left to do for us humans here on earth. This is why we’re going to see mass unemployments in the coming decades, and Trump’s attempt at “efficiency” isn’t going to solve things.
In my opinion, what we need now, is Universal Basic Income (UBI). It stabilizes society and gives people guarantees about their future. I am saddened that so many people seem to oppose it, but i think it would be a really good idea and we should work towards it.
Putin has other stuff to worry about. Other than enormous amount of troll all over the internet, he lost probably all the influence on the US.
I also tend to grin when I’m getting my dick sucked.
I was reading the BBC live updates of the ‘briefing’ where Trump ‘answered questions.’ Starts at 17:21 if you scroll down.
Of course he blames it on DEI hires. He also blamed the helicopter and later said it was because of ‘practicing.’
Why does he think it’s DEI hires, you ask? Well, Trump answered, and I quote: “Because I have common sense, and unfortunately a lot of people don’t.”
What the actual fuck. Donald “I have common sense” fucking Trump. Lmfao.
Why does he think it’s DEI hires, you ask? Well, Trump answered, and I quote: “Because I have common sense, and unfortunately a lot of people don’t.”
God, I hate how many people think “common sense” is a legitimate argument.
Wait until you hear Salvini talking. He also sprinkles some “as a father” on it.
While the claim is absolutely fucking insane, I will absolutely not be surprised if when the names are released we find out that one or more of the pilots flying were people of colour and it’s just trump playing racist trump things.
I don’t think it’s the fault of any of the pilots regardless of their race, but I can fully see trump’s pipeline of POC pilot = dei hire = plane crash as “common sense”.
European politics is like a mirror at this point. A UK politician basically said virtually exactly the same thing, “I don’t make mistakes”, a few days ago, and then proceeded to make an absolute tit of themselves 24 hours later.
Anyone who ever says “I don’t make mistakes” should immediately be distrusted.
Who?
What an absolute lunatic, we should never let the GOP live this down. Rub this in their faces, ongoingly. Never forget! Never Let Up!
You have to rub literal tons of cash into their face before you can rub their face into the mess they created. It also helps to be Russian. I don’t know I’m just sayin’.
But the price of eggs!
You’ll be saying that from inside Gitmo if we don’t organize and fight back.
We don’t need the TSA or FAA for eggs. Chickens can fly.
Yeah but who’s gonna make sure only the right coloured cocks do the flying?
I’m sorry but this is almost certainly unrelated to the crash. High level firings aren’t going to suddenly make air traffic controllers bad at their jobs a week later.
In a year if there’s a major airline disaster you can start pointing the finger at Trump.
Yeah, there’s almost certainly no immediate connection. It’s possible that ATC people or the pilots were distracted by the Trump chaos, but he took office 10 days ago, 10 days isn’t enough for a real cause-and-effect relationship here.
Having said that, this is definitely a warning of what his terrible decisions could do. Hopefully there’s enough of a backlash that he’ll reverse himself.
He was president 4 of the last 8 years. His party has been attacking the job security of air traffic controllers for about 4 decades.
His party led by him even when he wasn’t in charge repeatedly shut down the government making essential workers work for free and threatened to do so.
They have been saying that they would basically fire and replace everyone for the last year.
He is the single largest barrier to any effort to retain and hire talent by the federal government since 2016.
None of this speak conclusively to cause which will require investigation but unlike DEI its an actual objective factor its just not as neat a package as this sound byte
That’s not what juxtaposition means. It doesn’t mean thing A is caused by thing B, it just means that thing A and thing B appearing next to each other produce an interesting association.
@errer@lemmy.world this is an important distinction with this post. It’s explicitly saying they are unrelated by saying it’s a juxtaposition.
Also to add, this is hardly the first airplane crash in a while. There was even a near miss in Arizona just over 2 weeks ago https://people.com/united-and-delta-flights-nearly-collide-while-heading-to-phoenix-airport-8774470
You might can point the finger sooner, just not for the reason OP hints at. The helicopter was military, and there a closer link to Trump and his administration given that. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions, but he is already blaming DEI, because of course he is.
I mean it was a Black Hawk, that seems like a DEI hire. /s
Black Hawk Tuah is the cause of the crash!
(Also /s, of course)
Nice.
There are layers to this comment.
An ogre of a thread
They did say they wanted the military to be more lethal. Didn’t think they’d start with such soft targets as domestic passenger airlines though.
Well, DEI makes the pilots gay and everybody knows what the gays do when there’s a stiff stick in front of them. It’s so simple.
My brother works for the FAA. It’s been fucked for a while now and Trump isn’t gonna make it better. They are dangerously understaffed.
That being said, yeah this wasn’t Trump’s or the FAA’s fault. The helicopter pilot was told to maintain visual separation with the landing plane and then didn’t do so.
I heard on NPR this morning that the ATC said “do you see the plane” without specifying which plane. There was another larger plane taking off at the same time. So could be partly ATC’s fault.
That being said nothing like this happens without multiple failures by multiple people.
Yeah I feel like it’s not really fair on the victims or the victims families to blame any one person at all. It’s a tragedy for sure but it’s not like anybody fucked up on purpose. It doesn’t really help to lay blame on an individual, just figure out where the mistakes happened and amend the procedures so it hopefully doesn’t happen again.
The audio is out there, being pretty familiar with air accidents and radio call outs:
ATC wasn’t clear, they just said “go behind that plane”, yet if you listen to literally any of the other ATC callouts in the surrounding 10m they’re all proper with heading and altitude like “AAL111 go to 3000’ and hold heading 270”, yet with the helo he just says “go behind them”
The helicopter doesn’t change heading at all and just basically plows into the passenger jet (from what I can see on the ATC map anyway), so I think either they misjudged their speed vs the jet they hit or mistook it for another jet
Either way: ATC should have been more clear, heli pilot should have asked for clarification before proceeding without any change or even slowed when the uncertain command came through
Given the relative speeds, I think it’s more likely the plane plowed into the helicopter than the other way around. The minimum speed of the jet (a CRJ 700) is about 145 knots indicated air speed, the max is about 470 knots. The Black Hawk has a minimum speed of zero, and a maximum of about 180 knots. The two might have been moving at a similar speed, but if one was moving faster and crashed into the slower-moving aircraft, it was almost certainly the jet that crashed into the helicopter.
Black Box Down is a good podcast to hear a bunch of incidents similar with communication being a huge issue in most of them
Do they have an episode on Flight 800? I’d be really interested to hear that.
Did they also receive the federal employee “buy out” email yesterday morning? I’d imagine that would induce a lot of unnecessary added stress.
Don’t be sorry. No one said that this was direct causation. It is merely irony.
It doesn’t need to be sudden. It’s a fucking problem.
Or it’s enough of a distraction that some standard protocols failed due to a psychological shift of confidence in the employees.
This is the correct answer.
Trump news conference is insane. “This is all DEI’s fault”. Any personnel that will have wrong race or gender despite their hiring date will be “all of their fault”. Certainly anything that goes wrong in government in future, is that one black woman’s fault, too.
Remember how LA’s lesbian fire chief who had like more than two decades of firefighting experience was a “DEI hire”? (She was in part hired to clean up a culture of sexual harassment and rape cover ups - which is what they really don’t like.)
People need to remember this as they look for hope that people will suddenly turn on Trump. Rather than the right wing media politicizing shit, it comes straight from the president. The right wing dittoheads nod along and act like headless repeaters.
Reminds me of boondocks when they blame the “false” uncle ruckus test results on a black intern they didn’t know about.
I suppose it adds a spin on “thanks Obama”
That’s what I heard (made up) Obama made this happen to make trumpy look bad. /s in case it’s necessary.
Hopefully this is his “fuck the TPP” Moment of the presidency where it makes everyone chill the fuck out with airport security theater.
A broken watch is right twice a day, that stupid netflix film is wrong, TSA are a bunch of assholes and always have been.
I remember flying into the US before 9/11 and it wasn’t like you could just walk around with a bomb. They really don’t achieve anything that wasn’t already being done.
I get sort of why security theater happens but what I don’t understand is why they seem pathologically incapable of giving coherent instructions or in fact holding on to things that they’ve just taken off you. “Oh you have an expensive camera that has been purposely engineered to be easy to hold” *proceeds to immediately drops it
yeah, some security is necessary , absolutely. Stop making me get undressed and fold and unfold a pram every six seconds. Don’t make us dump every fucking fluid we have.
Fuck Trump and everything he stands for, but I wouldn’t be sad seeing TSA’s security theater recede.
I didn’t hear about that, did he fire those people right before the crash?
They were fired about 9 days prior to the incident.
You’re right, happened on the 21st.
wow that’s crazy.
That’s the real question.
those firings happened on the 21st.
