Paying extra for service has inspired rebellions, swivelling iPads, and irritation from Trotsky and Larry David. Post-pandemic, the practice has entered a new stage.

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    1 month ago

    I feel like there’s a small group of people in the US that over emphasize the negative aspects of tips and never consider that the overarching culture in the US makes people making money as a tipped employee one of the few retail employees that get paid enough to thrive.

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      1 month ago

      That’s exactly the point, employees shouldn’t be thriving off of an almost mandatory donation, but should be fairly compensated in the first place.

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        1 month ago

        They should be, but if tipping were abolished in the US they’d just become underpaid like every other blue collar worker.

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          Until they’d all find something else and employers would have to up the salaries or do the shit jobs themselves. You can’t treat the root cause without addressing the symptoms first.

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            1 month ago

            You can’t treat the root cause without addressing the symptoms first.

            What? No. This is absolutely false.

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        1 month ago

        employees shouldn’t be thriving off of an almost mandatory donation, but should be fairly compensated in the first place

        This seems callous and cruel. What are you even saying?

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            29 days ago

            The problem is that you’re proposing getting rid of one of the few ways to make a living wage as an incentive to possibly change to a better system. Gotta find a way that doesn’t require taking good pay away from people or you’re just being cruel because of a fixation on not wanting to pay tips.

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              29 days ago

              My point is rather that the tipping system has become so exploitative and expected, that some people rather don’t eat out at all than don’t tip to avoid stigma.

              So this is less about canceling tipping rather than reining it back in. Getting rid of it would be preferable imho because it ensures everybody gets at least minimum wage and can set their priorities straight with regards to setting expectations, but ‘back to the roots’ where 10% was considered exceptional.

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                28 days ago

                everybody already gets at least minimum wage unless the employer is breaking the law.

                Your suggestions seem hellbent on making life worse for millions because of an aversion to cusom.

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                  27 days ago

                  Can’t speak for elsewhere but most places in the US carve out an exception to minimum wage laws that allows tipped workers to be paid less on the assumption that they’ll make up the difference in tips.

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                    All of those laws include a provision that the employer must pay at least the minimum wage of a non-tipped worker in any pay period where the tips received don’t account for the difference between the tipped minimum wage and the non-tipped minimum wage. Thus, everyone is receiving at least the non-tipped minimum wage unless the employer is breaking the law.