I’m currently reading the books for the first time, just finished callibans war. I was wondering, should I watch the serie along with reading the books? Does each season represent a book?
They follow quite closely, as the authors were also show runners.
Each season is not exactly one book: season 1 is 2/3 of book 1, season two goes from there to half of book 2, season 3 wraps books 2 and 3. Seasons 4 to 6 are one book each.
Season 3 condenses book 3 quite a lot so you should expect differences here. As is usual in adaptation, characters and plot points are merged/moved around at diverse moments. A huge change is made at the end of season 5 due to one actor being outed as a perv piece of crap.
Books 7 to 9 were not adapted.
In the end, both mediums are great experiences and you should definitely enjoy both.
A huge change is made at the end of season 5 due to one actor being outed as a perv piece of crap.
Wait, what?!
Short version:
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Multiple sexual assault / harassment allegations came out regarding Cas Anvar.
But did the team at Alcon go back and revise the ending of this latest episode?
“The truth is,” franchise co-creator Ty Franck says, “it’s kind of a meaningless question in television, because as an on-set producer, I have literally walked off the set, climbed the stairs to my office, and rewritten a scene we’re about to shoot. And Naren has done the same. Daniel has done the same. I mean, that is part of the television process. So there is no sort of ‘once the story is set’ when you’re in the TV realm.”
In other words, they definitely did rewrite him out of the show, they're just trying to pass it off by saying that rewriting is common anyway.
That was years ago. Has there been any progress in the investigation? Or is it still just allegations?
Two years is a short time for such an investigation. A third party was supposed to investigate those but no news has emerged as far as I know.
No it isn't
It’s very weird to me that they wrote him out of the show, filmed an end to that character, and then fired him. Often when an actor abruptly exits a show they just vanish and you find out how they died offstage somehow. This guy had to participate in his own ejection from the show. His character kind of dies a hero, too, which makes it even weirder. I guess they were trying to jettison the actor without harming the character.
They did not. They went back and edited >!the blood into a scene and edited him out of the final scene of the season. Then they filmed one additional scene after he was fired where Naomi and Holden talk about his death!<. Everything came out about him after filming was wrapped.
Oh that’s interesting to know, thanks.
The show is very close to the books in spirit, but on a scene-by-scene level almost everything is different. And some of the best characters and scenes in the series don’t have exact book counterparts—it’s worth watching for that even if you’re read the books.
The first book ends in the middle of the second season, and the second book ends in the third season, but after that it’s one book per season.
If you read and watch at the same time, be aware that the fourth season contains some elements from the fifth book that might be minor spoilers.
Lotta beating around the bush in the comments. After you finish the books, then watch the series. There are so many little changes to scenes and characters between the two it will be hard to keep them straight if you consume both at the same time. The major stuff is the same and the spirit of the books is definitely honored in the show but from an enjoyment perspective I’d suggest keeping them separate.
I had trouble with the show as the books were still to fresh in my mind. I generally have to do a decade or so between so the details are smoothed away and differences don't jar my expectations. I may try to go back and watch/finish the TV show, but I'm going to wait at least another handful of years.
Good to know. I finished the series late last month and plan on diving into the show this month
Tons of great answers in this thread, but as you can see from my username, The Expanse is my favorite piece of media of all time. Both the books and TV show are god tier IMO. The show is one of the rare examples where the majority of the book readers agree that the show is a top tier adaptation, as opposed to a lot of other shows based off great books that the book readers don't like due to major changes. There are definitely changes to make the show flow better, but I'd say the changes are very well done and I've gone through all the books and novellas twice, and watched the show about 8 times all the way through.
Both the books and TV show are top tier sci-fi. Any sci-fi fan owes it to themselves to give either or both a shot!
100% agree. Excellent, tasteful adaptation. It keeps the feel, the most important characters, stories, science, etc. It's my favorite show of all time, and the books are just perfect.
I'm a Chrisjen Avasarala fan myself. Amos's conversations with "Chrissy" are some of the best dialogue ever written.
The first time around, I lived, ate and breathed seasons 1-5 in the space of maybe 2 months. I WAS beltalowda. I've never had such an immersive life experience in my 58 years. Maybe I lead a boring life, and my husband loved the show along with me, but he says he didn't think in belter like I did. Beratna, sasa, pensa. I was fucking using belter in my head those 2 months. I came out of that period mourning not being able to watch anymore for a year. And I was so lost without that world and those characters that when season 6 came out it was like looking at a photo album of a lost close friend, knowing it would end after season 6 made me hate it. I swear I'm a relatively emotionally healthy individual with a real life…! Really…I swear! Lolol.
And at no point in that wild ride did you think about reading the books or their novellas?
Oh I did, and probably will.
Do it! They are truly great reads, or listens even, Jefferson Mays does a great job with it in my opinion
Amos is kick ass
He is that guy
As far as I’ve gotten through the books it is a very faithful adaptation, as everyone has said. It’s a really well done show—does fall victim to the usual dip in quality that any cancelled and renewed show experiences but well worth a watch.
It's as faithful an adaptation I've ever seen. I would finish the books first though but that's just how I am personally. I like to absorb the source before the adaptation when possible.
I couldn't read a song of ice and fire because the show's visuals influenced my imagination too much. I just kept imagining how dirty everyone's shoes and pants were lol. The show had done a good job executing the gritty feel but it kept clashing with what I was visualizing in my head
To be more specific: The show feels like the book authors took the opportunity to revise, edit, and improve their own work. The books provide extra context to some situations, Caliban's War in particular. But it's fun to see the smart decisions they made in the TV show to consolidate some characters and tweak storylines.
Eh nice username beltalowda
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There are major differences between the books and show. It for the most part follows the books, but I was never a huge fan of condensing characters. They also do remove quite a large number of book scenes with character development. The worst thing they did though was not completing the series. The true ending is great and would have made for pretty epic television.
The worst thing they did though was not completing the series. The true ending is great and would have made for pretty epic television.
To be fair the time skip before book 7 means we can wait a good long while and still have the rest of the content make sense if it's ever produced.
I don't think we'll ever see a TV serial for the remaining books but I wouldn't be surprised if they made a couple of movies to cover the rest of the story. Hell, if they could swing a long-form miniseries with 3 2hr episodes per book I'd be happy as a clam.
I haven't read the latest novels, but isn't Holden supposed to be around 80 in Persepolis? I don't think either CGI aging or replacing the cast would've been a good move.
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Relativity and low gravity are the new skincare regime.
In the later books they drop a line about anti aging meds a couple times as a way to explain the timeline. I wanted to be mad about that but realized i accepted anti cancer meds without blinking.
The books say that they age much slower due to modern medicine.
I’ve read about as much as you and it does seem to follow it fairly well. The TV show actually got me into reading the books, which have been fun to read.
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The books are awesome and so is the TV show. They are two sides of the same coin really, different, yet the same.
I pretty much agree with every change made from the books to make it a good TV series. They really did a great job.
The first season follows the books the most faithful in terms of small details. Those details got lost a bit in the later seasons because of budget constraints.
Reading the books is very much recommended as it gives context and motivation for all the characters and decisions they made. In the series stuff just kinda happens and you don't always know why or what lead to that point.
The cutting of the storyline of one of the most awesome characters (Bull) is a shame, but I can understand why they did it.
The show ends early, but until the final season, very very closely. I won't spoil it but towards the end production of the show ran into some problems due to some ill advised behaviors by one of the actors, and then they kind of just tell you what happened in the book and rush through the shows ending, they covered like half a book in the final episode, the usual shitshow when a show dies prematurely.
The books don't end when the show does. The show is still worth watching, 100%, but I think if it had ended when syfy dropped it it would've ended on a high note.
How about the new Telltale game? I watched a bit of the first season and have been playing the game, but wasn't sure if there was overlap between the show/books?
The Telltale game (I haven't played it yet) seems to be based on Drummer from the TV show. TV Drummer is radically different from Book Drummer. Book Drummer, certainly in the first six books, is a very minor presence, as the security chief on Tycho Station. TV Drummer is a composite of several book characters.
IIRC, there's a bit of minor head cannon involving Book Drummer and "The Butcher of Anderson Station". That might be referenced in the Telltale game, since it's a prequel for TV Drummer.
they lost me with the casting. Bobbie Draper needed to be bigger.
She's a 6' tall kickboxer. I think she's perfectly intimidating.
I agree, I think the actress that played Breanne in GoT would have been better. However, I think the actress they picked did a great job, so it didn't ruin it for me , just not what I pictured in my head when I was reading.
