The consumption is the point. They just want candy not a meal. They want fucking marvelslop not Cinema.

Inb4 let people enjoy things, the mindset on display is a perfect member of capitalist society. A mindless consumption machine.

        • WithoutFurtherRelay [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          7·
          1 year ago

          Which is why “let people enjoy things” is a meaningless statement when separated from its original context, which is people insulting randos over random shit, which is exactly what is happening here.

          It got perverted and used for generic treat defense, as all things eventually do, and of course was rendered completely meaningless in the process, but this does not justify the behavior of attacking those who do not deserve it, instead merely demonstrating how depraved liberals are and to what stretches they will go to prevent their blatant fascist tendencies from being unveiled.

          When viewed through this lense, almost all modern usage of this term (notably except the top level comment you replied to) is completely meaningless.

          But in this case, it is actually being used in its original intention, or, if it is not it’s original intention (idk I’m no internet history expert), it’s at least being used in a novel and unique way.

          This is not “treat defense”. Me and the top level content have no treats they are even defending. Instead, it is “treat criticism”, a criticism of the “treat” of attacking and berating internet randos for no reason. That is a legitimate criticism, and is not a thought terminating cliche. It is a legitimate concern over the absurd toxicity present.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            which is people insulting randos over random shit

            Unlike your very different action of totally not insulting me here.

            The difference between insulting people and insulting media is like super clear and conflating the two is really stupid???

            https://hexbear.net/comment/4232675

            This is not “treat defense”.

            No, it is. Your treat was criticized and you’re blowing up all over this thread about it.

      • Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Honestly, it does seem everyone in this stupid fucking “discourse” as a certain “point past legitimacy” that they hold. The thing enjoyers think any criticism of the thing they enjoy is illegitimate. The enjoyers of criticizing the things thing enjoyers enjoy think any counter-criticism to their criticism are illegitimate. The enjoyers of criticizing the enjoyers of criticizing things the thing enjoyers enjoy think any counter-counter-criticism is illegitimate…

        Everyone seems to think the buck stops exactly right wherever they are and everyone beyond needs to shut up. But that’s not really how discussions of media work is it? Everyone it constantly making argument and counter arguments that lead into other arguments.

    • WithoutFurtherRelay [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      Ok you normally have good takes but
      The difference between insulting people and insulting media is like super clear and conflating the two is really stupid???
      It isn’t “thought policing” to tell someone to not shit on someone for doing something completely innocuous that probably 90% of people here have done because their friends and family are still obsessed with it

      • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        The difference between insulting people and insulting media is like super clear and conflating the two is really stupid???

        So your answer is apparently to call me “really stupid” for doing that with three question marks, all while presuming I was insulting you, all because you apparently feel so defensive about your treats that criticisms of those treats (or maybe even the bad parts of their fandom) are taken like personal attacks.

        It isn’t “thought policing” to tell someone to not shit on someone for doing something completely innocuous that probably 90% of people here have done because their friends and family are still obsessed with it

        Actually it kind of is here, especially how you frame it with such excessively ungenerous presumptive portrayal, and declared what you think I thought was “really stupid” with three question marks. You don’t want me to share what I think here, and maybe even don’t want me to think it at all. In other words, you apparently do want my thoughts policed.

        I didn’t make the edited comic, or that “when thought policing backfires” title for it. But considering how you just reacted to it, maybe it’s on to something.

        • WithoutFurtherRelay [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          So your answer is apparently to call me “really stupid” for doing that with three question marks, all while presuming I was insulting you, all because you apparently feel so defensive about your treats that criticisms of those treats (or maybe even the bad parts of their fandom) are taken like personal attacks.

          I have literally not watched a single marvel movie in what is likely a year and last time I did it was probably because of my family. I literally can’t remember, and I couldn’t give a single fuck about the brand and in fact hate literally all of it and wish it would die.

          You are the one acting defensive about having a treat criticized. I have absolutely no stake in Marvel. I do not care about Marvel. What I do care about is my comrades not being asses for no reason, and that is what I’m concerned about. And, unlike consuming terrible slop, insulting people who don’t deserve it is directly harmful behavior.

          Actually it kind of is here, especially how you frame it with such excessively ungenerous presumptive portrayal, and declared what you think I thought was “really stupid” with three question marks. You don’t want me to share what I think here, and maybe even don’t want me to think it at all. In other words, you apparently do want my thoughts policed.

          The point isn’t that it isn’t a form of verbal suppression (yes, it is, yes, I do think insults against people over things that are not actually harmful should in fact be suppressed), but that it is a blatantly silly thing to consider bad because it is literally just normal social behavior.

          Like, honestly, yeah, I’m thought policing, and I’m fine with it. If your treats being criticized and thought policed pisses you off so much maybe you shouldn’t consume them. Or are you going to tell me to just let you enjoy things?

          This isn’t freeze-peach town. I don’t give a single fuck if what I’m saying is “authoritarian” or whatever. Unironically, it would make me much happier if you and everyone else were to think of these things in terms of social systems instead of hating random people who mean no harm and probably just like shit because their meemaw said Thor was cool or something, and I am not ashamed of that.

          Edit: and I am sorry about the smuglord tone of my first comment, and somewhat this one. It isn’t even remotely acceptable. My only excuse is that it seems to be the only way to get through to people online, in my experience. I do respect you and part of why I even bring this up is because I respect you and the rest of the people I’m criticizing over this. I wouldn’t care nearly as much if you were all just random people, but I know for a fact that this can be a kind and caring community and is very often, and I despise what I see as an obstacle to that not being taken seriously, or worse, dismissed out of hand because of the superficial absurdity of it. I know it’s weird to give a fuck about what a bunch of people on the internet say about someone I don’t care about online, but I know that this case is innocent and innocuous enough that it would be trivial for that anger to turn around and target both myself or basically anyone else on here. I don’t want that to be this community and it’s sad to me that I don’t even know how to really communicate that feeling without it being drowned out and lost in the sea of internet irony poisoning and detachment. I will not respond further until I return from logging off, and again I am really sorry about how rude I have been. Thank you for reading this massive text block.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            7·
            1 year ago

            You are the one acting defensive about having a treat criticized.

            I wasn’t even talking to you whatsoever until you started by calling me “really stupid.”

            https://hexbear.net/comment/4232675

            and again I am really sorry about how rude I have been

            If you were actually sorry you wouldn’t have included “totally didn’t insult you in excessive reactive defensiveness over a treat, just called you ‘really stupid’ in the first reply which totally doesn’t count” in this very same reply.

            I’m not even going to address the rest because you can’t even own up to what you already did from the start here.

            • WithoutFurtherRelay [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              6·
              1 year ago

              I made the edit part after everything else, I only left the rest because 1. I’m tired and yes I honestly should have deleted it and 2. It feels insincere to just have removed it all and then left only the edit

              Please, I’m trying to be open here, I really don’t want this to just become an exchange of insults or anger. I’m only arguing about this because I care about your opinion and it legitimately scares me that people like you could just… stop caring about supporting or even being nice to me just because I said something cringe or weird

              I know I was hostile. That wasn’t ok. But I was scared, I was angry, and I don’t really know what else to say, I can’t apologize or make it up to you in any way more than I already have. I didn’t delete it because I didn’t want to come across as basically gaslighting you by insulting you and then pretending it didn’t happen, but if you want I can delete all this.

              I really don’t want to make you hate me for a prolonged period. I am willing to do anything to try and make it up to you, legitimately. I will delete all of my comments on this post if you want that. I don’t want to be an annoying debate-bro, I just want a community I can feel safe in

              • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                4·
                1 year ago

                So much for the tired and going to bed announcement.

                I’m trying to be open here

                Then stop dodging labels and denying what you have already directly done in this thread.

                I know I was hostile. That wasn’t ok. But I was scared, I was angry, and I don’t really know what else to say

                Owning up to it is good and a good start and I sincerely respect that. Yes, that is what I tend to call treat defense and the way you blew up at me from the start seemed like a textbook example of it. It’s not a fatal error and I think it’s best to just accept that you did react the way you did and just back down from that from there.

                I really don’t want to make you hate me for a prolonged period. I am willing to do anything to try and make it up to you, legitimately. I will delete all of my comments on this post if you want that. I don’t want to be an annoying debate-bro, I just want a community I can feel safe in

                Things are fine. I don’t hate you. I actually respect you quite a bit now for the vulnerability you’ve just shown. That takes courage.