A British woman who was shot dead by her father while visiting his home in Texas had argued with him about US President Donald Trump earlier that day, an inquest has heard.

Lucy Harrison, from Warrington in Cheshire, was shot in the chest on 10 January 2025 in Prosper, near Dallas.

Police in the town investigated the 23-year-old’s death as possible manslaughter but no criminal case was brought against Kris Harrison after a grand jury in Collin County declined to indict him.

An inquest into Lucy Harrison’s death opened earlier at Cheshire Coroner’s Court, where her boyfriend Sam Littler described the “big argument” about Trump, who was preparing to be inaugurated for his second term of office.

  • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    5 hours ago

    Seeing as like two cases of illegal immigrants killing pretty white girls is being constantly used as justification of deporting all illegal immigrants, does this mean we can use this as justification of deporting all MAGA supporters?

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      6 hours ago

      He said it was an accident. I think a different article I read on this said he went back to treatment for alcoholism after this. This kinda suggests he was too drunk to remember. The other article noted the dad is not the one that called the ambulance which would more commonly be the case in an accidental shooting. But if he was drunk idk.

    • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      12 hours ago

      What the article says is they disagreed on guns and argued about Trump. They went into his room to look at his 9mm glock and according to him the gun went of and he didn’t realize his finger was on the trigger. He relapsed to alcohol and was drunk at the time.

      He said: “As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.”

      Harrison said he could not recall whether his finger was on the trigger.

      • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        6 hours ago

        We’ll never know the truth.

        I shoot pretty often, and handguns are notoriously inaccurate. So I think he may very well have shot her in anger and fabricated this afterwards. Also it she was against guns, why would she follow someone, who is intoxicated, into another room, to look at one‽

        This story is fishy as fuck.

      • Jax@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        9 hours ago

        I did not understand what had happened.

        Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to own guns, just a thought.

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        34
        ·
        12 hours ago

        His finger was absolutely on the trigger, and he pulled it. Glocks don’t just go off. They’re pretty well engineered.

        • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          20
          ·
          11 hours ago

          On the trigger or not, that’s exactly why you never “show” someone a loaded gun. Unless we are at a range and we’ve already done all the safety training and I feel that you’ve got a grasp of it, I’m not keeping a loaded gun in my hands around anyone I don’t plan on shooting.

          It was pure negligence. Plain and simple. And now his daughter is dead. Accident or not, he ignored the rules and someone died from that negligence.

        • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          12 hours ago

          Yeah. A Taurus or a Sig, maybe. Not a Glock. There’s a reason they’re so popular. They reliably fire when the trigger is pulled and only when the trigger is pulled.

          • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            12 hours ago

            Even if it was a Sig, it was only older model P322s that had that problem. Pistols firing without pulling the trigger isn’t nearly as common as people (including, apparently, this jury) believe.

            • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              6 hours ago

              Also the P320 - which was adopted as the new standard-issue handgun for the US military.

              The Air Force actually suspended their use for a few months last year after one went off uncommanded and killed an airman. They inspected them and found that over 2% were already in unsafe condition after being adopted just 5 years earlier.

              And the civilan version is worse and in the middle of several lawsuits. And this is after they were recalled for not being drop-safe.

      • mirshafie@europe.pub
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        10 hours ago

        I bet he’s telling the truth. Which is all kinds of even sadder than if he had shot her out of rage for a disagreement.

    • fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.worksBanned from community
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      13 hours ago

      Sunk-cost fallacy.

      Trumpers don’t want to admit to themselves or each other that they’ve been duped, so they just keep digging their hole deeper.

  • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    111
    ·
    22 hours ago

    WHAT THE FUCK! THE GRANDJURY REFUSE TO INDICT? This total bullshit hang that motherfucking dad from a fucking tree.

    • NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      56
      ·
      21 hours ago

      After they have witnesses of him telling her he didn’t care if she got raped!

      Texas, I swear to God. I am from there, all of my family is there. My daughters adore their cousins and beg to move there. Absolutely not.

      My MAGA Dad raised his hand like he was going to hit me at Christmas during a political discussion. I was shocked. He is old and feeble, so I told him I would hit him back.

      • alternategait@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        11 hours ago

        I have an acquaintance whose husband wants to move to Texas, and like not a major city in Texas. I have some serious side eye for the whole situation.

        • NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          11 hours ago

          I’m on the fence on this one. How old are they?

          On the visit home over Christmas, the idea crossed my mind of retiring there, and I got fairly homesick. I miss the arid, rugged climate. I hate the cold. Being close to family would be nice, and Texas could use more hard-headed, angry liberals. But it’s too dangerous until my uterus is old and broken down and while I’m responsible for other people with functional or soon-to-be-functional uterii. Texas also has water shortage on the near-term horizon from shitty resource management, so it’s best to wait and see where that goes.

          But my point is, everyone wants to go home to die, right?

  • nollataulu@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    86
    ·
    edit-2
    22 hours ago
    • Accidentally took the daughter in the downstairs bedroom.
    • Accidentally produced a gun.
    • Accidentally loaded it.
    • Accidentally pointed it at the daughter.
    • Accidentally flicked the safety off. Apparently it was a Glock
    • Accidentally pulled the trigger.

    Color me suspicious but even if all that was just a series of unlucky coincidences, that man should be kept away from all guns for the rest of his life. At the very minimum.

    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      5 hours ago

      He told the court that later that day, about half an hour before they were due to leave to go to the airport, Lucy had been in the kitchen when her father took her by the hand and led her into his ground-floor bedroom. Littler said he heard a loud bang about 15 seconds later and then Kris Harrison screamed for his wife, Heather.

      Jesus fucking Christ he fucking executed her

    • MadBits@europe.pub
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      11 hours ago

      Accidentally robbed a bank

      Accidentally killed a few politicians

      Accidentally speared pedophile cultists

  • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    195
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    1 day ago

    The article gets way worse, "Littler said on the morning of 10 January his partner had asked her father during the Trump row:

    “How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I’d been sexually assaulted?”

    Kris Harrison had replied that he had two other daughters who lived with him so it would not upset him that much. "

    Holy fucking shit.

        • Tempus Fugit@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          38
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          I personally know at least 10 people that are this person. I’ve been threatened with violence for voicing my opposition to Trump. Supposed Christians threatening violence because I don’t like their pedophile conman. They’re a bunch of little bitches.

          • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            ·
            24 hours ago

            Revelation 13:16.

            It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads

            You’d think Christians would be more aware of walking around with a symbol on their forehead (maga hats), but amazingly it takes an athiest who actually knows the bible to point it out, and booooooooy do they fuckin hate hearing it.

            • ftmpch@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              12 hours ago

              I’d be embarrassed to use their own scripture against them, because it would feel like I was admitting to believing it when I don’t.

        • Formfiller@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          1 day ago

          Construction is infested with Trump supporters. They’re always entitled imbeciles but there’s a lot of them

      • faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        30
        ·
        1 day ago

        I chose to be homeless at 19 because I was terrified my stepdad would find out I’d been raped and kill me for not being a virgin any more.

    • not_that_guy05@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 day ago

      Yeah I was about to post the same shit. That is disgusting that is his fuckin daughter for fuck sake.

      Texas should be nuked without question. That state is not worth saving after they said they wouldn’t indicate him.

      Fuckin magats are willing to let their children get raped for the pedo god king trump.

    • Carmakazi@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      149
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      Couldn’t even get a grand jury indictment. No doubt the local yokels closed ranks. Made up some nonsense about it being an accident.

      • astraeus@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        81
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        morbidly curious about whether the piece of shit feels any guilt at all about killing his daughter over a conman… what the fuck am i saying of course he doesn’t he probably posted about it on facebook and the 50 different bots with a bald men with sunglasses pfp all 😂😂😂 reacted and he felt like he saved his country or whatever

        edit: I read the article this was blatantly a murder by an alcoholic magat what the FUCK. like who is actually buying this?? he had a big argument with his daughter and then just “wanted to show her his new handgun”??? death to amerikkka

        • Carmakazi@piefed.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          62
          ·
          1 day ago

          Reminder that the people who lynched Ahmaud Arbery almost got away with it until they were stupid enough to release the footage of the murder, thinking it would exonerate them and people would call them heroes. Over two months with no arrests.

            • TheBunGod@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              5 hours ago

              Well to be fair after WW2 we executed all the rank and file Nazis but most of the leadership we brought over here to help us organize our society I’m pretty sure.

        • frongt@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          22
          ·
          1 day ago

          Did you miss the part of the article with his answer to “what if I was one of the women trump raped”?

      • Serinus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        24 hours ago

        More likely the prosecutor just didn’t show any evidence. The prosecutor has so much influence over whether there is or isn’t an indictment.

    • cygnus@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      49
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      It’s perfectly on brand for the USA, really. This uppity woman didn’t listen to the man of the house, so he had to wave his gun around to remind her of her place. He was so distraught at his authority being questioned that his gun accidentally went off while it was pointed at his daughter. The guy feels bad, so it’s OK. Plus, as he said himself,

      Kris Harrison had replied that he had two other daughters who lived with him so it [his daughter being sexually assaulted] would not upset him that much.

    • ameancow@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 day ago

      It really depends on the part. Austin and San Antonio are very art-focused, moderate/liberal cities in some of the most beautiful areas of the country, but everywhere in America has rural populations of utterly deranged hog-people.

      A place like Dallas you aren’t as likely to get shot, but you are more likely to face weird, old-money racism and discrimination.

      The problem with texas is it has some of the most vast areas of rural population, as the entire state is just this flat sprawl of land with isolated communities full of poor drug addicts who just stare at the flatness of it all before going insane.

      • PointyFluff@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        23 hours ago

        San Antonio is a shit-hole full of rich white people who fucking LOVE jebus

        Edit: Oh and the “river” is a fucking concrete drainage ditch. Literally pathetic.

          • Woht24@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            6 hours ago

            I think Lemmy is one of the problems honestly. I see some batshit crazy mental gymnastics on here.

        • French75@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          17 hours ago

          Relatable… I had an apartment in Studio City right on the LA River. It wasn’t even the cool part of the river you see in movies. I used to jokingly call it my waterfront property.

        • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          22 hours ago

          As someone who LIVES in San Antonio, bullshit. San Antonio is an awesome city.

          It also houses one of the chapters for the Democratic Socialists of America and is exceptionally purple in political spectrum.

            • Woht24@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              6 hours ago

              I’ve visited many places both home and abroad and not participated in politics? What does that mean?

              • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                5 hours ago

                I mean if something goes wrong and you find yourself in court then you are still at the mercy of the politics of the state of Texas.

          • ameancow@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            10 hours ago

            I’ve been there a lot, I would definitely go back over any other city in Texas, the people there have been diverse and welcoming and the night-life is enjoyable if you’re a social person- which probably is why this whole “San Antonio is pretty okay” sentiment is getting shot down on Lemmy, one of the internet’s nests of asocial slacktivists and shut-ins who want to marry Linux.

      • moakley@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        23 hours ago

        There’s also Houston, the largest city in the state. Houston is alright, mostly.

        • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          14 hours ago

          Houston’s all right except for the sprawl and the terrible climate, that is. Well, that and a homicide rate 75% higher than that in Los Angeles.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      1 day ago

      I know two very excellent people from Texas. They both had the sense to move abroad. I keep ripping on them because “You forgot about the Alamo, didn’t you?!”

      • kreskin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        23 hours ago

        The alamo was a US led insurrection in Mexican territory because the rich US landowners there wanted slavery to continue, and for manifest destiony (aka zionist-style land theft). Its yet another stain on US history that we could only hope would ever be forgotten.

    • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      11
      ·
      22 hours ago

      As a Liberal Texan, there are a lot of great, progressive places in Texas. Generalizing a whole fucking state is pretty shitty. You realize how many millions of people live here?

      Yes, our governor sucks ass. The state is jerrymandered into Republican control. However, as someone who has travelled and lived in over two dozen states in the US, I can tell you I’ve seen some of the biggest Trumpers in rural “blue states” like California.

      Don’t blanket assume everyone is a gun toting, Trump voting Republican just because a state OVERALL votes a certain way.

      • Woht24@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        6 hours ago

        Don’t waste your breath, these people are frothing at the mouth levels of crazy. You can’t convince them of anything, they think they know it all in their little regurgitating bubble worlds.

      • pregnantwithrage@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        20 hours ago

        Objectively speaking, you have to admit that if you are from any other states and visit Texas you would more likely be harassed by law enforcement or be a target for being an outsider. Does that mean that the citizens are all a reflection of that? Not really, but it would be very hard to convince a tourist (international or otherwise) to visit a state that has a backwards viewpoint that bleeds into their justice system.

        Case in point, this women gets smoked and no charges are being pressed.

      • heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        23
        ·
        21 hours ago

        People can be great, towns and cities can be nice, but corruption from leadership can ruin it for everyone. True for a state, the same for a country.

        • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          19 hours ago

          Agreed, but much like all Americans aren’t assholes because of the Federal government being Trump’s cronies, generalizing the entire state of Texas as “a shithole” is what I find offensive.

          • heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            10 hours ago

            Sounds like something Trump would say. I never called it a shithole, I just said it’s not safe there.

          • NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            13 hours ago

            It doesn’t even matter what people on the Internet think of you. Wake up from your defensiveness. America is already at the point now where we are going to have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Texas has long been a lost cause.

      • NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        23
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        21 hours ago

        Fuck this opinion. Every last member of my family is in Texas. From Austin to Ft. Worth. All the women are liberal and all the men are gun toting MAGAs. Maybe one brother is just a conspiracy-minded libertarian, but the rest are MAGAs. I still love them and visit them, but I don’t want them having any legal jurisdiction over me or my kids.

    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      1 day ago

      Unless you’re one of the billionaires fleeing the billionaire tax in California, in which case yes go to Texas, it’s way safer then the crime ridden California cities. You don’t even need to bring your body guards.

  • AlexLost@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    113
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    Man shoots daughter dead and everyone’s just okay with it because she didn’t like Trump?! The fuck is going on down there? How have you existed as a country this long?!

    • lechekaflan@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      42
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      Man shoots daughter dead and everyone’s just okay with it because she didn’t like Trump?!

      It’s like South Asian “honor” murders where women are killed for even the most trivial matters.

      • GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        30
        ·
        24 hours ago

        Literally, these are honor killings. Full stop. Take a look at the gender makeup of these anti-ICE protests and then take a look at the ICE goons.

        It’s patriarchy, and people fighting patriarchy. It’s always been about white guys feeling terrified of their power eroding, and since white patriarchy has no coherent acceptable response other than rage, their first resort is everyone else’s last resort.

    • ameancow@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      1 day ago

      This has been going on forever, all Trumpism did was give it a shape so that it could make the news.

      It also goes on everywhere in the world, all the time.

      Our species is not what you think it is, and I am sad for every thinking, feeling person who thinks they know how bad the situation is, but hasn’t yet had that moment where it all sinks.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    139
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 day ago

    Harrison said he could not recall whether his finger was on the trigger.

    I do not like Glocks. Quite simply, I prefer pistols with a manual safety which Glocks do not have. That said, a Glock WILL NOT FIRE unless your finger is on the trigger. A Glock’s safety mechanism is on the trigger itself.

    If you are going to own a firearm, GO TO TRAINING. Trigger discipline should be muscle memory so that even piss drunk you keep your finger off the goddamn trigger until youbare ready to pull. If the guy was trained in firearm use, then he 100% murdered his daughter on purpose.

    MAGA is a cult and its members are mentally ill.

    • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      5 hours ago

      So, I just bought a handgun, after 6 hours of range instruction time, and we tried a bunch of makes. Only one of them had a regular non-trigger safety.

      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 hours ago

        I practice trigger discipline with my power tools

        If I so much as want to change the bit on my drill I switch it off and disconnect the power source before getting my fingers anywhere near the service end of it. Is that excessive? Probably but I certainly think the time expense is worth taking extra steps to avoid an ER visit

    • couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      68
      ·
      1 day ago

      Yeah, if you are going to checks notes point your gun at your daughter, at least have some goddamn checks notes trigger discipline!

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        38
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        I"m giving that piece of shit A LOT of leeway by assuming he wasn’t purposefully pointing the gun at her and rather just holding it to show. (That’s cutting about ten miles of slack.) If that’s what he was doing (doubtful) then he should not have had his finger on the trigger.

        My gut tells me that his MAGA poisoned brain, having the impulse control impaired by alcohol, pointed the gun at her and his finger twitched, because deep down he wanted to “kill the b!t¢h” that dared insult his god emperor. The bang instantly sobered him up and broke his hateful trance. That’s when he started cryring for mommy his wife.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          11 hours ago

          The bang instantly sobered him up and broke his hateful trance. That’s when he started cryring for mommy his wife.

          Yeah, I doubt this. AT MOST, this person will just stop talking about politics, and if we’re lucky, never vote again.

          But chances are he’s still a full-throated Republican

          • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            10 hours ago

            This is a direct reference to the events as per the article. I’d normally recommend reading the article but in this case I can guarantee that doing so will only decrease your quality of life.

            • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              5 hours ago

              I’d normally recommend reading the article but in this case I can guarantee that doing so will only decrease your quality of life.

              Holy fucking shit you’re not kidding this was a clear cut honor killing and he fucking got away with it

        • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          21 hours ago

          Nah he’s a magat POS. They fantasize about murdering libs and anyone else who disagrees with maga even slightly. He 100% shot her on purpose and then lied to make it sound like an accident. That’s how far gone these psychos are.

        • Lucky_777@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          1 day ago

          I have had multiple daughters. Most have pissed me off beyond belief. I’ve went out shooting with them as well. No way in hell I’m pointing a gun at anyone unless I plan to shoot that person. That’s basic gun knowledge and safety.

          • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 day ago

            You also don’t have a MAGA rotted hatebrain. These guys (MAGA zealots) are mentally ill.

    • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      1 day ago

      Yeah, there is perhaps no pistol more known for unequivocally not firing unless the trigger is fully pressed from the center. There are in fact three different independent safeties in a glock. Man murdered his daughter, I do not accept complete ignorance of firearm use as a defense for someone who owns a gun and chose to pull out a loaded weapon and point it at someone.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        I don’t disagree, I just wanted to point out that “the gun just went off” is absolute bullshit with a Glock. The rest is just me being way too generous. Best case scenario (for him), because it was a Glock, he should have been charged with involuntary or negligent manslaughter. If they charge parents for leaving a gun unlocked which leads to a child’s death, then why the hell would they nit charge that piece of shit.

        • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          I read the rest of the article, I regret it. Earlier that day his daughter had asked him how he would feel if one of the women Trump sexually assaulted had been her and he responded he had two other daughters who lived with him so he wouldn’t be all that bothered. What a piece of shit. Oh also he’d relapsed and had a bottle box of wine. Checks out.

      • Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 day ago

        Am I understanding this correctly, that the Glock safety is on the trigger itself? That seems really fucked up. Other than meeting a technicality, it useless, no?

        • BussyCat@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          1 day ago

          It means the only way for it to fire is to fully pull the trigger it can’t “go off for no reason”

          The gun also had to be loaded and cocked…

          • frongt@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            19 hours ago

            Unless it’s whatever Sig was that had a recall. And the firing mechanism could still slip from certain impacts. But those don’t have anything to do with the safety; an additional safety isn’t going to fix those.

        • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 day ago

          If a person is trained to use a firearm then both styles are effective, but yes a glock is more dangerous around idiots because they think it won’t fire and they have no trigger discipline.

          • Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            14 hours ago

            Can anybody buy a gun like this? I appreciate laws will vary between states. If so shouldn’t there be safety measure to idiot proof killing devices?

            • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              5 hours ago

              I did last week, and walked out with it that day. I had 6 hours of instruction very focused on safety and discipline. Most I tried had safeties like this, not at all just glocks.

              And I’ve seen multiple threads online insisting people should keep their gun loaded and chambered at home, even though they’ll likely never need it for defense, and it takes under 2 seconds to slap in a mag and cock it. And if the gun were pre-cocked, it would just chamber automatically anyway.

            • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              14 hours ago

              In america yes. Its not legal to conceal and carry without a permit but buying one isn’t much trouble. We have decided guns are on the honor system.

  • stressballs@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    56
    ·
    1 day ago

    Have you ever noticed how the right always says the “left went too far” and somehow manages to push their argument by pointing to a single tweet or headline? Why doesnt that work against them too?

    • 4am@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      49
      ·
      1 day ago

      They don’t give a shit about words or truth, they just yell and invent when they don’t get their way until everyone does what they want because they are the smart ones who know better, which is why they need to kill everyone who doesn’t agree with them and say it’s because that’s what we want

    • pivot_root@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      ·
      24 hours ago

      Because they don’t care about evidence or facts unless it fits into their narrative.

      You can point to posts advocating for violence or censorship coming from their ilk and they’ll just attribute it back to the other side because “we wouldn’t need to if they didn’t do it to us first.” It’s just the abuser justification, “look at what you made me do”.

      Or they will just outright deny reality, dismissing opposing evidence as conspiracies, exaggerated, or misunderstood. Did Elon really do a Nazi salute? “No, no. He was just sending his heart out to Americans!”

      And when there’s overwhelming evidence that they can’t do mental gymnastics around? They shut down the conversation. They stop talking about it. They ignore it. They bury it. Out of sight, out of mind.

      When someone is indoctrinated into that way of thinking and makes their politics a part of their personality, you are not going to beat them at their own game. Their sense of identity is tied to their beliefs and their ego will not let them accept anything that goes against those beliefs. They need to be deprogrammed.