- I called a corpse a corpse (post contains multiple pictures of chests of multiple animals)
- Get called loud, obnoxious and ridiculous
- User types 380+ words on why my view is ridiculous (see linked post for more of their comments, my only two comments are in the image)
- I replied in an annoyed tone but did not use insults
- I am banned for “rule 1, be kind”
Post (TW: animal corpses): https://lemmy.world/post/45494863/23173926
Note: “the rules of this site” in my comment refer to rule 6 of lemmy.world which states:
No visual content depicting executions, murder, suicide, dismemberment, visible innards, excessive gore, or charred bodies. No content depicting, promoting or enabling animal abuse.
YDI You went in there to cause chaos, and they kicked you out. :)
PTB but Lemmy leans heavy into the meat eaters so they’ll mass downvote on principle and spread garbage like “eating plants is murder like eating meat, you’re a hypocrite”
Bro. Attempting to denormalize something people have been doing for millions of years is going to make you look weird and obnoxious every day of the week. If you can’t handle watching people enjoy food you don’t like just set up a blocklist and filters like an adult and stop harassing random people.
BPT.
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I mean they were right.
Just a tip for the future, if you want to sell veganism to people, soapboxing under a FoodPorn post of some barbecued ribs trying to argue that the picture is gore is not an effective way of doing it.
Fuck off you disgusting carnist!
Portraying people you disagree with as Hitler is definitely a highly effective tactic at changing people’s worldviews, and not at all going to make your argument look ridiculous and hyperbolic.
Carnists are like Hitler! They oppress and kill animals the same as Hitler did the Jews!
You know Hitler was notoriously vegetarian?
everyone does
Great, then I don’t need to explain to you why your meme is daft.
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you do
this but unironically
oh I wasn’t being ironic at all
it’s good to be on top of the food chain
oh you meant it in a
way?sucks to suck i guess
i’m shocked the tankie relates strongly to sheep
I’m shocked the lib relate strongly to slaughtering innocents.
YDI, rules like that exist for a reason. People in charge of communities don’t want hostile people attacking others or starting fights with people.
This tells me a lot about your diet
See, it’s interesting that people in the Vegan community feel that any criticism of their atrocious behavior, means the people criticizing them must be their opposition, a very common false dillema which people in the community use to shield themselves from criticism of their behavior. I’m assuming that’s what you’re trying to do here.
You have absolutely no concept that someone else might have a different perspective than you, do you? Or what that would really functionally mean? No concept that an image may mean a different thing to a person with different values and experiences? I do not believe you have a specifically vegan blind spot. I suspect you’re a generally myopic person who always sees themselves as the good guy in every situation.
I’m well aware that others have different perspectives and values than me, and I have changed a lot over the years due to the feedback of others who know more than me (I used to be a liberal, and said a lot of stupid and anti-leftist shit without understanding how wrong it was). Thanks for proving to me you know so little about me as a person.
I maintain that OP’s behavior was not acceptable in public spaces, and more importantly isn’t going to change hearts and minds of anyone. I don’t blame mods for banning people like that because they act like disruptive and hostile trolls. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got instance banned should they continue to behave in this manner.
You’re totally justified and good to police everyone else’s behavior, then. Carry on.
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He’s an AI whore. He’s as dumb as they come. He’s probably your typical carnist redneck who loves his steak as much as his guns!
This is YDI.
Not for calling a dead thing a corpse, but because of your second comment.
When a community has a kindness/civility rule, we’re all expected to follow it, no matter how strong our beliefs.
And, tbh, even if a community doesn’t have a listed rule for civility, it really should be the default behavior anyway. Not that I can claim to always err on the side of niceness, gods know I’m an asshole. But when I’m an asshole and I get banned, I deserved it.
Civility isn’t just not insulting someone. It’s about trying to remember the human.
However! Had I been the mod in question, I’d also have banned the other user for being an asshole to you in the first place.
Fuck you carnist scum!!!
YDI.
You knew where you were posting. Their reply sucked by so did your comment, which wasn’t kind.
In my experience, the best way to get people to think about their diets is to show them good vegan food because the hungry mind has no rationality. You’re trying to slap a steak away from someone who’s salivating. Show them a blackbean burger or quinoa shepherd’s pie or tempeh breakfast wrap instead.
Show me quinoa shepherds pie please
I don’t have an image, but I can tell you the recipe. Note: I rarely measure anything.
Base: Cook 1 cup of quinoa in 2 cups of vegetable stock. Once cooked, mix in minced garlic, onion, red pepper and parsley, a few drops of liquid smoke, a sprinkle of cumin and a squeeze of lemon juice.
Middle: Corn niblets, peas and carrots diced small.
Top: Potatoes and/or yams cooked and mashed with salt, pepper and your choice of vegan butter or oil and/or coconut cream (if you don’t mind coconut taste.)
Bake all this in an 8" pan for 30min at 350F. Vegan cheese on top is optional but encouraged.
Mushroom Sauce: Simmer a 1.5cups of water in a small saucepan, whisk in a spoonful or two of arrowroot powder (cornstarch works too.) When the sauce starts to thicken, add in salt, pepper, chopped mushrooms (chanterelles are GREAT if you can get them,) minced garlic, cumin and Italian seasoning. Let simmer a few minutes, then let the flavors mingle on low while your pie bakes.
When ready, cut a slice, drizzle with sauce, enjoy.
Thanks, will give it a shot. I usually only make shepherds pie when I have leftover meat that I grind and use as the base, so, not often.
No problem. It works great with any kind of base.
Yeah I literally can’t do that because they banned me
I’m sure you can think of a way to keep talking to people.
like you’re the one who’s being oppressed.
Who is oppressing you, exactly? Who’s forcing you to eat meat, and denying you the choice of what foods you want to eat? Please tell us where the sausage gulag is that you’re being held in so we can liberate you!
Edit to add: Those ribs look fucking amazing, if I do say so myself.
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Vegans don’t catch any shit and its really easy to eat vegan especially socially. Maybe a hundred years ago it was hard, but that has changed.
Let’s go beat up this whiny little vegan bitch and show them what for!
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I’m not being oppressed, the animals are.
Ah, that makes more sense. Guess I just assumed the most absurd interpretation based on the context of the rest of your bloviation.
Extremism is always bad even for noble causes
Personally think it’s pretty extreme to kill animals
Omnivory is completely natural. You seem to have a problem with nature.
It’s natural to shit in the forest. But more on topic; there’s loads of immoral things happening in nature (eg rape and infanticide) yet we’d never use that as a justification in those cases.
I appreciate your choices. I really do. I won’t stop eating meat, but you are welcome to your own choices. Just don’t try pushing them on me.
You’re pushing your choices onto innocent animals who do not have a voice they can use to protest your violence.
literally just set up ETHICAL farms how hard can that be
factory farms are disgusting thats why I DO NOT get my meat from them
Ethical farm is an oxymoron.
Do you consider yourself to be in the 1%? If not why do you think you could afford the 1% of meat that doesn’t come from factory farms.
Yup. Biologically we evolved for that shit. However, we have proceeded to a place where we can substitute and manufacture alternatives
Veganism is an ethical and moral choice. And you need to realise that none of those are absolutes.
Failure to do so is what makes you obnoxious
Yeah that’s the argument my link makes, that not being vegan is the unethical and immoral choice.
You need to realise that the choice is taking the life of an animal that had at least a mom that loved it, that probably had friends and most likely siblings it played with or you having a nice little treat. That’s the choice you’re making.
taking the life of an animal that had at least a mom that loved it
This is major anthropomorphization. Shit, some animals literally eat their young.
Some animals, in stress situations, but the animals that grow up on farms have very nurturing caring behaviour. The bellows of the cow moms when seperated from their young are haunting.
https://onanimals.co.uk/2021/06/04/stress-responses-to-seperation-broken-cow-calf-bond/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PemBURyBlyk
I don’t think you’re making much sense in the reply there, but it shouldn’t be a kindness issue, yeah.
The other person also was not banned.
I have to assume it was not about that reply at all but rather the initial comment.Which yes, given the context, is quite inappropriate you got to realize.
Going to someones stuff they care about and calling it a technically correct but off-putting/controversial description is not nice. Either you are trying to ruin it for everyone there, or trying to bring an unwanted discussion into the post.- BE KIND
Food should bring people together, not tear them apart. Think of the human on the other side of the screen, and don’t troll, harass, engage in bigotry, or otherwise make others uncomfortable with your words.
You should have easily been able to predict you would make people feel uncomfortable, writing “Ah yes, a corpse, how apetizing” on stuff clearly viewed and intended by the poster as food not gore.
Going to someones stuff they care about and calling it a technically correct but off-putting/controversial description is not nice. Either you are trying to ruin it for everyone there, or trying to bring an unwanted discussion into the post.
I feel like calling it “their stuff” when I was also a Foodporn user and posted there before is not fair. I did not go over to c/meat or whatever.
And they didn’t go to c/vegan. Just because you personally don’t eat it doesn’t make it not food.
their
Specifically the op of that post. “Their” in the singular sense. “Going to that persons stuff”.
I did not go over to c/meat or whatever.
That one post should tell you that was not a vegan space. And what you wrote was not kind either way. You put it as a generic statement (op clearly didn’t share), not say as a criticism of the sub. For example
“This sub is nice but it’s a shame there are meat posts strewn in between, which are really off-putting to me (no offense to <op>)”
What you wrote was clearly provocatory to op specifically, who did nothing wrong posting allowed food in the food com.
Edit: To put it more bluntly, your comment is “people shouldn’t post meat” not “I don’t want to see meat anymore”.
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- BE KIND
They were banned for saying “ah yes a rotting corpse”?
Thats a bit precious to ban someone for a snide coment like that. Applied equally there must be many snide comments in other topics, such as the US GOP or to Marxist Leninists, that should be banned on Lemmyworld.
I’m surprised at the way the votes have gone on this one.
Edit: Why not just remove the offending comment? Was the rest of their behaviour so atrocious?
I did not say rotting but yea
True, my bad.
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Not the friendliest comment given the general assumption of the community that people are largely posting things they have cooked, but not ban worthy.
I wonder what the “husband” in animal husbandry means
Literally the husband.
Husbandry used to mean managing the household, it became the equivalent of “peasant farmer”, and then turned to what it is today.
Fuck the carnists in this thread! Fuck dbzer0 for platforming these animalistic sociopaths!
PTB
