Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming
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Bazzite is a custom image built upon Fedora Atomic Desktops that brings the best of Linux gaming to all of your devices - including your favorite handheld.

Bazzite comes ready to rock with Steam and Lutris pre-installed, HDR support, BORE CPU scheduler for smooth and responsive gameplay, and numerous community-developed tools for your gaming needs.

  • poki
    15·
    5 months ago

    Thank you for the reply!

    Inconvenient package management

    Fair.

    manual theme installation

    I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?

    anything that involves changes to the system

    I’d argue “anything” is too harsh. But yes, there are definitely edge cases that are either very/too cumbersome or outright impossible to achieve on Fedora Atomic.

    However, I’d argue that while the associated paradigm shift and learning curve do require some commitment to adjust to, it is a more sane way of running a system for most people.

    • Martin@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      12·
      5 months ago

      This comment shows why I like Lemmy more than Reddit. Nuanced, acknowledging when the other person has a point without just yelling at each other.

      • poki
        7·
        5 months ago

        Hehe. I agree that the community on Lemmy gives off more mature vibes. I suppose one should at least credit them for being idealistic enough to be on Lemmy rather than Reddit.

        Thank you for spreading the positivity 😄!

    • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
      102·
      5 months ago
      Inconvenient package management

      Fair.

      If there’s a flatpak, no problem.

      Once you realize you do package management in distroboxes rather than the main OS (rpm-ostree etc), no problem, plus you have the AUR at your disposal.

      So Ima go not fair, although there is something of an education gap atm.

      • poki
        11·
        5 months ago

        I’m a big fan of Fedora Atomic. However, even I have to admit that knowing how to install packages through dnf is simply more convenient than knowing and understanding the nuances between rpm-ostree, Toolbx/Distrobox and flatpak. And I haven’t even delved into ujust and brew that are found on uBlue images.

        Furthermore, even if we would limit ourselves with what Fedora Atomic prescribes, we see the following inconveniences:

        • rpm-ostree ; I know --apply-live exists and I know systemctl soft-reboot exists. But still, if you have to resort to rpm-ostree, then both the speed of update/installation as well as the need to reboot (or live on the edge with --apply-live) are inconvenient compared to dnf.
        • flatpak ; It’s inconvenient that I have to alias the installed package if I prefer sane naming conventions when accessing it through the terminal. Furthermore, stuff like the NativeMessaging portal not being available yet for sandboxed browsers and how that prevents any local password manager to interact with them (without hacking your way through; which, once again, is an inconvenience) is inconvenient.
        • Toolbx/Distrobox ; the fact that you’d have to setup quadlets (or simply rely on uBlue images to do it for you) to keep them up to date, up and running is an inconvenience. The fact that distrobox-export has to be resorted to for accessing these directly from your ‘App Drawer’ is an inconvenience.

        The fact that there’s no centralized place for upgrading all of the above (unless you rely on an uBlue image) is an inconvenience.

        I could go on and on, but these should satisfy in revealing some of the more obnoxious inconveniences.

        • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
          5·
          5 months ago

          Fair cop on the inconveniences, although I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase, coming from fedora it was lesser than hopping to a new distro. Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.

          I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service, didn’t need quadlets (although after adaption I quite like them for containers now).

          • poki
            2·
            5 months ago

            I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase

            Though credit where credit is due. At this point, so well-beyond the adaption phase, I simply don’t see myself use anything else. This is my home. Though I have to admit my serious interest in QubesOS (and the upcoming Spectrum OS).

            Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.

            Agree. I’m at least thankful that it’s a lot better than it used to be. Like two years ago, when as a total noob to Linux, I decided to cold turkey quit Windows and installed Fedora Silverblue on my machine. Well…, those first two weeks were pretty traumatic 😂. And, back then, there was not a lot out there. Luckily, I found this article that helped me to grasp the basics. And it has been smooth sailing ever since.

            I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service

            That’s pretty cool (and straightforward). Why didn’t I think of that 😂? But yeah, quadlets FTW.

      • poki
        2·
        5 months ago

        Fair.

        Btw, was I correct on the following?

        I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?

        • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
          5·
          5 months ago

          Yeah, I had that at the beginning, then added to my fstab

          # enable sddm and therefore good themes
/var/sddm /usr/share/sddm none rbind 0 0

          and then it works, kludgy, but sddm is apparently working on allowing themes in /etc, sometime soon.

          • poki
            6·
            5 months ago

            Thanks for pointing that out!

            Bazzite also includes an entry in their documentation in which they explain how theming on Bazzite works exactly.

        • GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
          41·
          5 months ago

          No. I know that installing a GTK theme requires putting the files in /usr/share/themes that is not in /home. That’s why I said it. As an advanced user I love customization and freedom so immutable distros are a no go for me (and for many people imo). I didn’t even bother trying.

          • poki
            5·
            5 months ago

            FWIW, by creating your own images (through BlueBuild or tooling offered by uBlue) you could bake themes directly into those folders.

            However, I totally understand why you’d not feel compelled to do as such 😅. Especially if your current distro/system works splendidly.

            Sometimes, placing it to ~/.local/share/themes works as well*.

            • GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
              4·
              5 months ago

              However, I totally understand why you’d not feel compelled to do as such 😅. Especially if your current distro/system works splendidly.

              This.

              Sometimes, placing it to ~/.local/share/themes works as well*.

              Ehh I prefer system-wide installation. I think it’s a habit from times when installing an Android app with root (so the OS treats it as a system app) increased its performance.

              • poki
                1·
                5 months ago

                Ehh I prefer system-wide installation.

                Fair.

                I think it’s a habit from times when installing an Android app with root (so the OS treats it as a system app) increased its performance.

                Interesting. Didn’t know this was a thing.

            • barsquid@lemmy.world
              1·
              5 months ago

              Thank you for sharing those links, I have been struggling with making rpm-ostree compose go from a yaml to an ISO, these look like they might reduce the level of effort!

              • poki
                2·
                5 months ago

                You’re welcome!

                FWIW, last year, through what became BlueBuild eventually, I had my own image with all kinds of modifications within a weekend. And, perhaps most curiously, I was a total noob when it comes to containerfiles, github, git etcetera. So, if I somehow managed, then you should definitely be fine.

                Wish ya good luck! Consider reporting back 😉.

                • barsquid@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  5 months ago

                  Sounds like you ramped up pretty quickly! Were you pretty familiar with the terminal beforehand or just jumping in?

                  I’m chronically unable to finish projects but with such a fantastic tool maybe this one is the one? I’ll try follow up if get something going.

                  • poki
                    2·
                    5 months ago

                    Were you pretty familiar with the terminal beforehand or just jumping in?

                    Yes, I did have some familiarity with the terminal.

                    I’m chronically unable to finish projects but with such a fantastic tool maybe this one is the one?

                    I hope it will work out for ya!

                    I’ll try follow up if get something going.

                    Thank you for your consideration 😊!

          • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
            3·
            5 months ago

            Yeah, I had that at the beginning, then added to my fstab

            #enable sddm and therefore good themes
/var/sddm /usr/share/sddm none rbind 0 0

            and KDE themes with sddm components install fine now (most themes install fine into /home, does Gnome really not have per user themes?)

            Essentially you can tactically make things mutable as needed, use sparingly, but maybe not even trying lessens your opinion, no?

            • GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
              2·
              5 months ago

              Why would I use a system that isn’t supposed to change if I want to change it? It’s just not for me and I don’t want to waste my time reinstalling everything. And my opinion isn’t completely proven without trying but I have theoretical knowledge.

              • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
                3·
                5 months ago

                Why would I use a system that isn’t supposed to change if I want to change it?

                There’s a bunch of benefits, atomic updates, intrinsic rollback, security of immutability, safe automatic updating and it goes on. Some things are not quite ready yet, e.g. things like sddm which should probably install themes to /etc (which they’re working on), so as often happens in linux, workarounds ensue. Making one directory mutable does not destroy all the benefits.