• @floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    6 hours ago

    Once again ordinary people in the West are saved from affordable, low-pollution living, and Western companies are saved from having to compete.

    • @gomp@lemmy.ml
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      4 hours ago

      That’s catchy, but not entirely true.

      China heavily subsidizes EV manufacturers (and production in general), plus they have cheaper environmental and labour standards… it’s not like there’s a fair market EU companies can compete in without some sort of handicap.

      PS: Yes, “western” countries have been playing along with China’s deliberate long term strategy with full awareness of where it would lead, but that’s another story that is both much older and has a much broader scope than the EV industry.

      • @eltrain123@lemmy.world
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        This is the market place, brah. If the US or EU want to keep up, they can subsidize EV manufacturing to the same degree. We are just too stuck on subsidizing O&G to realize that harvesting value from a dying industry is going to leave us out in the cold as the new technology matures.

        Free market capitalism and what we operate under haven’t been the same thing for as long as I’ve been alive. What some may call “Communist China” is beating us at the game. Get on the bus or get run the fuck over.

        • @Pilferjinx@lemmy.world
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          I feel like we would need to utterly destroy the working class to the point that cheap Chinese EVs would become expensive if we were to compete at the same level. I could be wrong, but how many of the chinese workers are driving brand new evs?

        • @utopiah@lemmy.ml
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          This is the market place, brah.

          Free market capitalism

          then talk about subsidies or non capitalist country controlling the currency, markets, VCs, etc.

          What does that even mean?

      • @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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        Slave labor is a system in which a person is bought sold and indentured to a master for a substantial duration, often life. Their labor is coerced as property of that master.

        That is not how China produces cars. They use highly automated systems and paid workers like everywhere else. While Chinese workers are paid less due to the forces of unequal exchange (a system imposed by the US) and an export economy (a system usually imposed by the US but more of a 4D chess move by China to develop productive forces, with the US gladly taking the deal for exploitation), that is not really why the cars are so much cheaper. It is because China has highly concentrated industry and a much less financialized system.

        Speaking about “fair” is amazing in this context. The US is simply trying to protect domestic monopsony industry and to damage Chinese industry. This is a jingoistic and corporate policy.

        • @delirious_owl
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          Were talking about labour laws in the EU, not the US

          • @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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            25 hours ago

            That’s true but the logic applies. The EU is part of the imperial core that eats from that trough and in turn supports its maintainer. It is simply following the US’ lead.

            • @delirious_owl
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              Labor conditions in the EU are better than in the US and better than in China

              • @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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                Depends on which part of the EU you are in. There is a reason the poor of Poland move to places like the UK.

                Though this is neither here nor there as the original allegation was slave labor, which is simply a lie.

      • @delirious_owl
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        This. Chinese workers cannot legally form a trade Union.

  • @delirious_owl
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    I assume this doesn’t apply to Chinese parts used to manufacturer electric cars in the EU

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    56 hours ago

    Yay, no punishment for the european brands. What they were doing, slept?

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        Germany oligarchs are imbiciles who cornrred German economy into being a Russian pappet…

        When Merkel was advised about these risks by us and Poland, we were mocked within Germany is “old idiots”

        Now these same elites are hoping Ukraine shot blows over so they can go back to sucking Putin’s dick for gas.

        Germany was so unreliable that US had to blow that fucking pipeline to send a msg to the German nazi napo baby regime.

        Can’t make this shit up… European geopolitics are still as clown as ever.

        Dead Ukrainians is a small price to pay for cheap gas!

        • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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          Russian gas was a cheap way for Germany to produce. The short term economic effects were more important to Merkels electability than any long term plans.

          When it comes to gas, Russia never shut off the tap. Instead it was America who blew up the Nordstream energy supply to garner support for a wider war. But now China is producing on cheap Russian gas

          At least Germany appears to heavily invest in green energy since Norstream blew up. Bless the sun for shining everywhere.

  • @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Ofc. Electric cars are here to save the auto industry, not your health, safety, neighborhood, sustainability, kids, etc. #bancars