• Furbag@lemmy.world
    38·
    16 hours ago

    It wasn’t even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a “training exercise”. How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?

      • jabeez@lemmy.todayEnglish
        11·
        15 hours ago

        Only Trump did I think.

        Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it’s like, Ukraine’s fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          5·
          12 hours ago

          Well Ukraine shouldn’t dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should’ve seen it coming really /s obviously

        • bss03@infosec.pubEnglish
          55·
          15 hours ago

          It’s complicated. Ukraine didn’t directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.

          I don’t agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with “international law”, but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.

          It doesn’t surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn’t see the point or ethics or morality. For him it’s just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.

  • Geobloke@lemm.ee
    13·
    14 hours ago

    If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times

  • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
    11·
    17 hours ago

    Donald Trump’s entire career seems to be built on a single expression he makes. Essentially the one in that picture. I’m not sure what it is but it conveys some combination of superiority, disdain, and disinterest. It’s clearly very successful at establishing dominance, for some reason. Awful man.

    • SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world
      5·
      16 hours ago

      Yeah, it’s been his personality all his life. “I take no responsibility for anything” Therefore, he is absolved of everything.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    1·
    15 hours ago

    Trump…Just digging a foundation here for my mansion expansion plan that goes into your property! I don’t wanna start a war or anything, but I’ll just have a bunch of my guys with gun walking around in your property. I assumed that was OK…again, didn’t want to start a war. Just trying out our tanks around your town…again, not trying to start a war.

  • Geobloke@lemm.ee
    1131·
    2 days ago

    Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn’t invited to this particular set of negotiations?

    The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.

    When Trump eventually concludes negations it’ll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.

    • Mio@feddit.nu
      8·
      17 hours ago

      It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.

      Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.

      • Geobloke@lemm.ee
        3·
        14 hours ago

        That isn’t the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I’m that vein, these talks will

        1. Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an “intractable” war. Suck it Obama.

        2. Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can’t figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.

        3. Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn’t see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don’t think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he’s bending over backwards to give him what he wants.

    • NoxAstrum@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      16 hours ago

      Trump thinks he’s some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.

    • blady_blah@lemmy.world
      65·
      2 days ago

      No, it’ll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.

      Fuck that orange shit stain.

      • JokeDeity@lemm.ee
        14·
        22 hours ago

        Just like the people in other countries will forever hate me for being American, I will forever hate all Russians and Israelis for allowing their governments to do what they’ve done. I don’t even care if that’s right or wrong anymore, I’m just tired and weak from all this constant shit.

  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
    17·
    1 day ago

    From the view of Putler, this episode of the war is ending, so that the next can start in a few years… Trump can’t plan more than 7 days ahead…

  • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
    1401·
    2 days ago

    For context, as a writer at The Atlantic described it:

    The negotiators displayed mainly incompetence, as well as cringeworthy servility to their master in the White House. Trump’s part, though, was pure malignity. Shortly after the meeting ended, he criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, lied about the latter’s polling numbers, and said, in a particularly callous remark, that Ukraine had had a seat at the table for three years. How being invaded and having your civilians tortured, raped, and slaughtered counts as a seat at the table is beyond understanding.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
      762·
      2 days ago

      It’s not beyond understanding. It’s corruption and treason. Putin is now POTUS when it comes to Ukraine, and NATO apparently

        • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
          11·
          1 day ago

          Putin stand behind the man that stands in front of the president of the USA. Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.

          What a democracy, the jewel of the free (market) world.

            • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
              12·
              15 hours ago

              Jesters are the ones that tell the truth to the king without fear of execution. Trump couldn’t be a jester if he tried. He can’t joke or jape, he has nothing but hate in his heart.

              Edit: I forgot to add that he is pathologically unable to actually tell the truth, the most important part of the jesters job.

  • sfu@lemm.eeEnglish
    65·
    17 hours ago

    Speaking to those in the USA,

    There is much more going on with the Ukraine / Russia war than what the media here told us. Most people make opinions about it, not even realizing that they aren’t informed enough about it to have an opinion.

    • qaz@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      91·
      16 hours ago

      It is more complicated, many people don’t know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots (it’s wild to me to just hire someone who has tried to kill you before). The media fails to give the proper context to put the events into perspective. However, Russia still invaded Ukraine without any reasonable justification, and this was an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.

  • motor_spirit@lemmy.world
    671·
    2 days ago

    I hope the world treats him like the cowardly incontinent little bitch he is

    Nobody should fear or respect a single word from this scumbag, call his fucking bluff and that of his spineless and thoughtless followers

    Strip them of their lil platform of bullshit

    Alienate the US politically and economically until they respond to financial impact of their errors

    Drag these dumb cunts through the streets for the world to see, there’s no time for this bullshit with these dickless hoes

    • Soup@lemmy.world
      211·
      2 days ago

      Don’t worry about economic alienation, they’re already doing that themselves.