It’s something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they’ve made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn’t seem true to me, or I think they’re genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn’t being considered.

What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?

  • Bristlecone@lemmy.world
    13·
    9 hours ago

    Neil Gaiman. I’m extremely depressed that he’s actually a POS, and because I loved his work so much, I’m conflicted. His work itself seemed to have well interrogated values woven into it’s fiber, but I guess you never can tell.

    Edit: really fucking bummed about Red Hot Chili Peppers too

  • thisisdee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    7 hours ago

    Justin Timberlake. I’m in my mid 30s now so I don’t follow celebrity gossip as much as I did in my tween years but from what I’ve seen he didn’t do anything too bad? Felt more like it was cool to hate him cos he’s been famous for a bit but no longer at the top. But I still think he’s a fantastic performer and some of the new songs are great.

    • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      38 minutes ago

      I hate Justin Timberlake for reasons that aren’t (entirely) his fault, but that if the culture at large.

      I don’t know why, but I blame him for the backlash that Janet Jackson got after he flashed her tit. I’m sure this was figured out beforehand (given how clean and quick it ripped), but she was the only one who really got any shit for it.

    • pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org
      2·
      30 minutes ago

      The only respect I’m ever going to give Bill Cosby, is how he stood up and criticized the black community for their ghetto-like behavior and how they continued blaming the white man for all of their problems. That took balls and only he could have done it because he’s black as well.

    • ByteOnBikes
      121·
      4 hours ago

      Privileged white folk really don’t realize how much good Bill Cosby has done for poor kids. He contributed an insane amount to the community. He supported schools programs financially and helped a whole generation of black folk.

      And when the news came out, you better believe we were all in the 5 stages of grief.

      Just a complete 180 on his entire body of work. Like finding out Batman used homeless people for target practice. Or Jesus was a sith lord.

  • duncan_bayne@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    11 hours ago

    Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert. I have several of his print books and still enjoy reading them; ditto his old cartoons. They really spoke to me years ago, as a cubicle-coder.

    • yyyesss?@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 hours ago

      hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn’t put anymore money in his pocket.

      being “cancelled” doesn’t mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn’t happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.

      this is a critical detail that I think people often miss

    • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      36 minutes ago

      I stopped liking dilbert when it became obvious that dilbert was becoming a side character so he could prop up PHB. Anything I’ve seen since then is just insufferable.

    • daggermoon@lemmy.world
      6·
      5 hours ago

      I have a weird interest in South African rock music. I would buy SA CD compilations on ebay and discogs Nd listen to all the cool SA bands. One of them had a track by an artist called Max Normal. The track fucking slapped. No one in the US has heard of these SA artists I listen to. One day I mention my interest to a coworker and he said something like “oh man, you should check out Die Antwood.” So, I did. I’m reading about Die Antwood and I had a holy fuck moment. They were the same artist on that compilation CD. They changed their name to Die Antwood. The artist of an obscure track on a compilation CD I have went on to become an internationally known artist. I also found out they are pretty shitty people. Life is crazy sometimes.

      • quotable@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        7 hours ago

        Typical dodgy celebrity stuff, support young artists get them high, rape…

        And then there’s Racism, and exploiting kids

  • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    8·
    11 hours ago

    I really enjoyed Lost Prophets music, but after what happened, I feel really weird about listening to it. I like it but I don’t feel like I should.

    I wouldn’t recommend looking up what the singer did

    • GladiusB@lemmy.world
      3·
      8 hours ago

      Same. I thought their album was going to change the scene. Haven’t listened to it since he was convicted. He was stabbed to death in prison this year.

    • MimicJar@lemmy.world
      1·
      7 hours ago

      Genuine question, has your opinion changed now that the singer has died? In no way, shape or form is the person who sang the music benefiting in any way from you listening to it.

      People often say to separate the art from the artist. In an acting role I kinda get it, because an actor is playing a different character. For music, it’s kinda the same. The music is its own thing separate from the person. Maybe?

      • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        3 hours ago

        I don’t know, not really. I feel like music embodies singers more, but I also realise that there was a whole innocent band attached to that too, that didn’t know do or condone.

        Its weird, I don’t really know how to feel about it.

    • ByteOnBikes
      4·
      4 hours ago

      This one hurts because he really pushed an art form.

      Cartoons were not at all well respected as a method of storytelling back in the day. And Walt threw himself into the fire pretty often to strike success and build the Disney empire.

  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
    8·
    12 hours ago

    Naomi Wu a.k.a. SexyCyborg on youtube.

    Unforgotten.

    Got taken out (and we can only imagine how, but surely in a most effective way) of public life because she had the bad luck of living in China.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
    354·
    16 hours ago

    I mean, I didn’t throw out my Harry Potter boxed set just becsuse Rowling is a dumb fucking TERF. I just don’t continue buying shit she profits off of, and can see tons of questionable things in her work that I didn’t question before knowing her thoughts on things.

    • ByteOnBikes
      2·
      4 hours ago

      Doesn’t anything HP give her a cut?

      It’s the reason HP is banned in this household.

      • yyyesss?@lemmy.world
        21·
        1 hour ago

        i don’t blame you for your choice. she’s alive and using money from the franchise to actively fund initiatives that hurt people. but let me copy my comment from elsewhere in this thread (about Scott Adams and old Dilbert books)

        hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn’t put anymore money in his pocket.

        being “cancelled” doesn’t mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn’t happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.

        this is a critical detail that I think people often miss

    • pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org
      43·
      14 hours ago

      The Harry Potter universe is bigger than her to where we can love the universe for what it is and can cut her out easily.

      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
        51·
        12 hours ago

        Any artist old enough to have popular CD albums for sure has done something bad.

        And I’m old enough to have collected them in my youth.

        If you want some real gut churning debauchery, look at my tape collection. For sure those guys are evil.
        (I don’t actually have a tape collection anymore)

  • pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org
    176·
    14 hours ago

    Louis C.K

    The reason he got cancelled was so stupid and everyone made it seem like he raped countless women. Also, he asked permission to do what he did. If anyone around him at that time didn’t like the sound of him doing what he asked permission for, they could’ve said ‘No’ and he wouldn’t have done it. I just didn’t see Louis being that kind of unreasonable guy but that’s what they demonized him as. I think it was all a ploy, to trap him to do what he did so they could demonize him that way.

    The only reason I don’t care of him that much these days is because I’m being introduced to more comics, that I am finding Louis’ material very samey. Like always going on about his kids, family life .etc

    • pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe
      7·
      2 hours ago

      Yeah, but I reckon the saudi arabia trip was the final straw.

      For that matter of fact, lost respect for all those who went to the saudi event, bill burr included.

      • pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org
        1·
        34 minutes ago

        I am going to be controversially unpopular by saying that just simply going to saudi arabia to do a show is nothing. There are still people there who live under a tyrannical regime that they can do little about, who is to say that they don’t deserve some entertainment? Because it would be blanket generalizing to say that everyone in Saudi Arabia is a-okay with what their government does or whatever the prince does. Granted, you can say 90% of the people there approve of whatever the Saudi Prince does, but there’s still that 10% that don’t for him.

        Besides, these are a bunch of comedians, not politicians. Political matters in regards to human rights should be handled by politicians who right now, aren’t doing a stellar job except shit out statistics about how bad it is. What can anyone else do? If anyone else outside of a politician or an official’s scope of handling does shit, then that’s grounds to start yet another war, which we don’t need another of considering everything going on right now.

        So, you know, you feel whatever you feel. I hate the WWE for doing business with the Saudis which is different than a few comedians just going there to do an event.

      • yyyesss?@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 hour ago

        fucking a. that one hurt, man.

        but yeah, fuck him, and Bill Burr, and Jimmy Carr, and … 😢

    • ByteOnBikes
      3·
      4 hours ago

      I found this one difficult. Like they were comparing him to all the other MeToo incidents, like Cosby and Weinstein.

      Which is like, there is a serious gradient of crime here. And weighing it all equally like it’s black or white is problematic.

      My tinfoil hat is all that accusation and black/white style of blame is what led to the manosphere gaining so much power and attention.

    • SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world
      31·
      12 hours ago

      He has even admitted himself that he was in a position of power over those women and that makes it considerably harder to say no when the person asking could make or break your career.

      • pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org
        1·
        42 minutes ago

        But I don’t see someone like Louis capable of doing that. If he’s about as upfront as he is in his stand-up, I can’t see him swinging his influence around like that.

        He actually said he wielded power irresponsibly. In actuality, I think he handled it as well as one could in his situation. He at least asked. Though he could’ve also asked if he could excuse himself or they could excuse themselves so he can have privacy, something. It could’ve totally flipped over on its head if he just went and did it in a way like “ah fuck these women around me, I wanna jerk off”.

        There were far more worse offenders that MeToo brought out than him in comparison.