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not nearly often enough
Call me when it’s in the head. Although I doubt that would be lethal for an ICE agent.
Agreed. They’d have to hit a vital spot.
Zombie rules it is.
Well for these gravy seals it’s not the head - it’s the cankles.
I was thinking brain stem.
*Null void stem
It’s probably one of those occupations with a Maximum IQ requirement rather than a Minimum IQ requirement.
They don’t even need to have an intelligence cap that limits you from hiring, like how the police operate, because if you’re applying in the first place it’s assumed you’re too stupid to question orders and just want to shoot people for not being white.
Finally a shooting statistic I can get behind.
Ironically, the solution is more guns
Since they cant handle firearms safely then they shouldnt be permitted to have any.
That is a most un-American thing to say.
As a gun owner, I approve.
“You can’t have guns.” – Trump, 27 Jan 2026
As a convicted felon, he certainly can’t.
He can’t vote either.
whoa there…Americans not in death squads shoot each other or themselves accidently over 44,000 times a year.
The right to be idiots is in the constitatuition.
Unless they only use it to shoot themselves / each other.
About that…
It’s always nice when the trash takes itself out.
Evolution is doing it’s part.
The fact that the negligent discharges often involve experienced officers should be a wake up call that ICEs recent behavior isn’t new or just because of Trump - the incompetence is baked in.
That’s what’s surprising. All the shootings, intentional and otherwise, are exactly the result you’d expect from adding a bunch of untrained morons to the group. But most of the incidents are from dudes with 5+ years experience. What the fuck.
5 years of experience in being a moron
Honestly it makes sense. Most incidents are due to complacency with rules/procedures. A new guy joins and follows every rule to the letter, but more experienced people think "Well, I’ve gone all this time without an incident and bent the rules a little here and there, and it’s not been a problem.
You see it happen all the time working around heavy machinery. The new guy gets trained on the Limb Mangler and is absolutely terrified of it, so he follows every rule to the letter. The experienced guy has worked with the Limb Mangler for 10 years and knows that the correct process for un-jamming the de-gloving reels takes like 45 minutes and is a PITA, he also knows that you can quickly wiggle the jam loose with a pair of pliers and get it up and running without a stoppage at all. Everything is fine, until it isn’t, and suddenly you’ve got skeleton hands because you didn’t feel like taking time to properly de-energize and LOTO tag the system.
Finally, some good fucking news.
Until they start blaming protesters for it. Like Israel when their occupying forces run over their own unexploded ordnance and they blame it on hamas.
…stateside police have been doing that for decades: if an officer or bystander are injured or killed due to police negligence during an operation, it’s routine practice to charge the suspect, rationalisation being that it wouldn’t have happened if law enforcement hadn’t mobilised on account of whatever the suspect did to arouse their negligance…
Felony murder is used like that all the time, for any death that they say results or was influenced by your lawbreaking. Like if I asked you for a ride to the store, then went in the store and shot someone, jumped in your car and went home. Even if you didn’t know you are vulnerable, and we all know how prosecutors and police lie.
What is it, a 15 or 20 year felony, often tacked onto a list of other crimes. But if for a police that shot himself chasing you or something they might even bring more extreme charges. Like I’ve heard of real world cases of people spitting on police that were charged with attempted murder, theory being they were trying to give them terminal diseases, but the alleged spitter didn’t have any disease, they just charged that as a reaction.
Spitting on someone is bullshit, but what about when you are talking, sometimes a little bit of spit will fly out of your mouth and land on someone, it happens to everyone occasionally.
Felony murder is used like that all the time, for any death that they say results or was influenced by your lawbreaking.
Unless it’s something trivial, like storming the capitol of the country and getting a few folks killed along the way.
Don’t give the fuckers any ideas.
fr
Never forget: Hitler was the only person to ever kill Hitler.
And that also makes him the greatest artist.
I mean consider this… using nothing but the concrete walls of the Führerbunker as canvas, his own grey matter as paint, and his trusty sidearm as a brush, he created the most impactful painting of humanity.
That thought just made my day a bit brighter, hopefully Trump will make a similar piece soon.
He does every day, but it’s in his diaper.
Torpedo tube 1 loaded. Tube 1 now flooded. Safeties off for point blank firing solution. Fire! Direct hit.
Unfortunately he lacks the self awareness. But nonetheless. His every choice leads him toward that end.
If only we had footage to make fun gifs out of
Doubtless a picture-generating AI could do it.
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Left leaning in the end.
How about you put that in a fucking spoiler tag bud
I tired to put a lot of space. I’ll edit. Sorry.
My lemmy client doesn’t automatically truncate posts like some other social media platforms do. For sensitive stuff like this, just use the spoiler so people don’t have to scroll past a bunch of useless dots.
If you’re gonna post that I’d hide it behind a spoiler
I tried to put a lot of space. I’ll edit. Sorry.
All good, I’m pretty desensitized to violent imagery online at this point, just trying to look out for others. Your edit worked, I appreciate it. Also lol at “irony”
Is that his actual death though? To me it just looks like sarcastic acting.
Like he’s making fun of the idea of getting shot.
It’s sarcastic editing in fact.
Edit: my trigger warnings were genuine, despite a bit of humour in the last one.
Wait, was it a gun? Or was it cyanide pills?
Both. Swallowed cyanide in case the bullet didn’t work
It’ll be a national holiday when Trump goes. Just need to think up a properly passive aggressive name for it. Liberation day kinda works, but might be too ironic.
It’ll be a national holiday when Trump goes.
Not like you think. Boomers will gather in parks and shit their pants in honor of the Orange Fuhrer.
April 30 was never made a Jewish Holiday.
Call it maga day, but with an intonation that now that he’s gone we can actually make a better society
Maybe long live the king day.
Honesty I’m down for the just glad he’s dead and hope his movement follows soon day
Regan-Trump geriatric awareness day?
Celebrated by organizing against people in government who are too fucking old to be driving a car, let alone running the country?
It will also be effectively legal to shit on gravesites that day. Not because of any change in the law, but because it would take too much work to enforce on dementia day.
Nancy Reagan wanted the Republicans to increase funding of dementia research, they ignored her.
Cause of death awareness bay would be a positive spin I supposed.
Or pick something like ureathra health day, and sell urinal cakes with his face or gravestone on them.
Let’s see:
Hitlers killed:
Hitler - 1
Everyone else - 0Yep. This is true.
I’d bet some people got a few of his ancestors at some point.
Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
Good.
When will ice agents extrajudicially execute themselves over it? They’re attacking law enforcement.
Two former senior ICE officials told Newsweek that accidental discharges were not uncommon and often involved experienced agents rather than new hires.
What?
There’s no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it’s not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.
Negligent Discharge vs Uncommanded Discharge.
Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.
Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.
You can also get a ‘hangfire’.
Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops… and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds… and then the weapon fires.
Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not… a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.
Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.
I’ll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I’d be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.
You misunderstood what I’m saying. I’m saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn’t an accidental discharge since those don’t exist. And it wasn’t an intended discharge. And it wasn’t a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.
Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I’ve heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.
In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence
That is the correct argument. This isn’t an accident, this is pure negligence.
I like the documentation in that article.
The photo they show of the holster makes it very clear that this is negligence, though. there’s simply no question about that. as a gun owner you are expected to be smart enough to realize that your holster must not deform in this manner, especially with that model of gun
also, personal note: fuck that guy for wearing this into a cafe
Coming from a multigenerational family of LE and Military I can tell you first hand that NDs are never common. Not even slightly.
LE and ND?
Not everyone lives in the acronym country.
LE - Law Enforcement, ND - Negligent Discharge
Thanks!
LE = lawful evil
LOL. Now this acronym actually makes a lot more sense.
Lemmy has TMA*.
*Too many acronyms
Thanks! That’s a handy one.
National Dickheads.
LE = Law Enforcement ND = Negligent Discharge.
Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men’s club I’m a member of, the only shooting injury we’ve had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You’re point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.
Those guys are just typical gun owners. US has 44,000 accidental gun injuries a year, likely 5X more accidental discharges no one knows about.
It’s dangerous.
Don’t touch that.
Not that way.
What an I missing? Is the fourth also the first?
- Keep your finger off the boom trigger until your ready to fire.
- know your target and what’s behind it.
- assume the gun is always loaded, even when you know it isn’t.
- never point it at something you aren’t willing to completely and utterly destroy.
I was missing:
- remember to wear your x-ray glasses.
Reminds me of ‘Being a cop isn’t that dangerous’.
“ND”? I can get as far as N-somthing Discharge.
Negligent
Ah, derp. TY. That seems really obvious in hindsight.
“TY”? I can get as far as T-somthing Yaoi.
touche
Touché Yaoi? Online? That’s disgusting. Where?
I know very few Leo’s or vets, like only a couple. But one that I do know NDed himself in the thigh while servicing his gun.
So you 0/N is somewhat offset by my 1/4.
Servicing a gun with a round in the chamber is negligent unless you’re in active combat.
There’s no context provided, but I can’t see any situation where you service a loaded firearm and point it at your thigh.
Oh yeah totally negligent. Which was my point. There are plenty of negligent cops and service members for every careful one.
Are you saying he was cleaning a loaded gun? Or am I misunderstanding?
Was a friend of my brothers and I think he did it while attempting to clear it before cleaning.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
They shoot themselves in the foot to get out of work.
I wouldn’t be surprised if ‘experienced’ agents are generally also incompetent. Pre-trump they would have mostly had pretty mundane duties, maybe manning a border station checking paperwork, maybe even desk jockeys. Sure “enforcement” actions were a thing, but I suspect a large number of people were never anywhere close to ‘action’.
A reporter that went through the hiring process included the detail that while desk work was a possibility that a recruit had to be prepared for, it was a critical priority to get as many people on the streets with guns.
yah… “Doubt” on that one
Familiarity breeds passivity
