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Three state senators who were defeated in Tuesday’s primary told NBC News they don’t feel differently about the redistricting vote that drew Trump’s ire.
After a group of Indiana Republican legislators rejected their party’s redistricting plan last year, they faced public ridicule from Donald Trump and millions of dollars in negative attack ads, with several ultimately losing their jobs Tuesday.
But three of those state senators told NBC News on Wednesday that they have no second thoughts about the vote that put them in the spotlight and led to their defeats at the hands of Trump-backed challengers.
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We need to start calling thr GOP “trump’s party”. That way when he is gone it will remind people of all the “like minded” politicians he put in place, and that they need to go as well.
No, they’re all MAGA now. The Republican party was just the larval stage before they morphed into their final form - MAGA. The Republican Party should only be referred to in a historical, scholarly context.
Then when it’s all over, and MAGA is declared a Domestic Terror Organization, and an active National Security Threat, we can prohibit it from existing, and the Republican party will go away with it, and the few conservatives who haven’t been prohibited from holding office under 14A/S3, will be forced to create a new conservative party from scratch, except this time it will have government regulation, to keep it from becoming what it became before.
And if they don’t like it, then they don’t get a party at all. We are in no way obligated as a nation to tolerate Treason, Racism, and Pedophilia under the disengenuous guise of Free Speech.
Well how about we just call it, Trump’s MAGA party. I just want them to wear his near like an albatross around their neck. As for the rest. Sounds a bit extreme, perhaps a little to facist for my likeing. Anyone can and should be able to form a new political party. What we really want is at least three major parties.
I’ve been saying for a long time that we need to OFFICIALLY start calling them the MAGA Party, and refuse to call them Republicans. The Republican Party is dead, that was just the larval stage, before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
That way, when we reach the endgame, we can ban MAGA as the ongoing National Security Threat that they are, and it will take the Republican Party with it. Then we can prohibit anyone who supported the Insurrection from holding office under 14A/S3, and most Conservatives will find themselves CONSTITUTIONALLY ineligible to hold office.
Conservatives will have to rebuild a new party from the ground up, and since their precious incarnation devolved into treason, racism, pedophilia, and open corruption, they will only be allowed to exist with Federal regulation and supervision.
Of course, they’ll scream likes the babies they are, but we are under no obligation to listen to the whines of corrupt traitors and pedophiles. They’ve been calling their opponents the Democrat Party for years, simply because they know the party hates it. I saw a MAGA completely derail a debate with Schmuck Schumer because he called them the Democrat Party in his opening statement, and Schmuck went nuts, and completely focused on that, as the MAGA sat back and smirked. Mission accomplished, he didn’t have to defend treason, and Schmuck looked like a schmuck.
So now we should unilaterally change the name of their party, especially since we can use it as a strategy to get the entire conservative movement Constitutionally prohibited from office.
Edit: I wrote this in answer to a comment, only to realize that that comment was in response to a nearly identical post. But I added some new stuff, so I’m leaving it. Sorry about the redundancy.
I still don’t see how you can ban a party effectively. They can just create a new one. Odds are it will be even more corrupt. Sure we can get some people banned from office, but there are always more willing to take their place, and probably even to just do their bidding directly. Someone could run for president on a platform of “I will just do what trump tells me to do”, and that would be legal. For these lesser offices, it would be pretty easy to do in red states.
ALL politicians take a Constitutional oath to defend America against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. The Founding Fathers understood that the nation has as much to fear from its own government as any foreign entity.
MAGA is a genuine, ongoing, AGGRESSIVE National Security Threat. They planned, supported, and launched an Insurrection, intended to kill the VP and numerous lawmakers, overthrow the government, and install a Dictator-For-Life. MAGA supported the theft of hundreds of classified documents. They have participated in the theft of countless and incalculable data and secrets, participated in an historical level of corruption, sold pardons to criminals, and gave pardons to cover for criminal activity. They weaponized the DoJ to attack their enemies. They have heavily protected the Epstein Files and covered for pedophiles and human traffickers. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg. What more do they have to do to be considered a National Security Threat?
If ISIS or Al Qaeda or the Taliban came to America and started strategically throwing around billions of dollars to take over portions of the government, we would stop them, wouldn’t we? Would we allow a KKK party that openly calls for the return of lynching, or a Neo-Nazi Party that openly called for a Neo-Holocaust? Of course not, the First Amendment doesn’t extend to SEDITIOUS speech and behavior.
MAGA is just as dangerous as any of those organizations, literally Domestic Terrorists, and yet they been allowed to flourish, and take over. If we manage to take back this country AGAIN, we can’t squander the opportunity AGAIN. It is imperative that our elected officials find the courage to act decisively, and ban MAGA from existing, including the Republican Party.
Conservatives would not be prohibited from forming a new party, but If we had gone that far to purge MAGA, then whatever followed would have to be carefully guided, so they didn’t devolve into treason and corruption again.
That means the new party couldn’t include any of the people or philosophies that defined MAGA. They’d have to start from scratch. If they want to be the traditional party of Smaller Government, Lower Taxes, Family Values, Fiscal Responsibility, etc., that’s fine, but they better show concrete evidence that they are pursuing those goals, and not just lying to the American people to gain power, and go MAGA again.
They are a National Security Threat. We are under no obligation to honor ANY of their demands.
So I understand all the things they are doing and such. More of it doesn’t impact what CAN be done. You cannot declare what philosophys are allowed. You also can’t say who can be in a party. Only who can run for office to some extent. And I don’t want to live a place where you could. The KKK exists, and could form a party if it wanted. The only control is to not vote for them so the don’t get federal funding or whatever they get if they get some percent of a vote for pres or whatever.
It’s not about their philosophies, it’s about their crimes. The problem with ISIS/ Al Qeda/ Taliban isn’t their religion or their politics or their philosophy, it’s their crimes and their violence. In fact, it was ALWAYS the American law enforcement policy to treat terrorism as a CRIMINAL offense. Terrorists aren’t supposed to go to jail for the politics or their religion, just their crimes.
Likewise, I do not advocate for punishing MAGA Domestic Terrorists for their politics, just their CRIMES. That is more than enough. And I don’t advocate for banning MAGA for the conservative philosophies, just their corruption, Sedition, pedophilia, etc. Conservatives are more than welcome to rebuild their party, they just can’t build it around the same treasonous, corrupt, racist policies as MAGA.
And it is perfectly reasonable to punish Sedition and Treason. Those are crimes.
As does every other member of the Republican party
I hope one day we can return to even a semblance of the country I like to think we once had (or at least once liked to pretend that we had) where we can have different values, ideologies, and strategies between parties, but at the very least we can agree on fair representation, mutual respect, compromise, cooperation, and basic humanity. I doubt these men and I agree on much, but as a Hoosier I am grateful that they didnt let this state succumb to Trump’s attempt to make my vote count even less than it already does in my red district. They have my deep respect in this one regard at least for having good principles and the backbone to stand by them. Their replacement will probably be our loss.
Report from 2023 on the map they were defending that you say shows their "good principles (arc)
The report declared Indiana’s maps a “clear partisan gerrymander” given the state’s Republican trifecta.
“Fair maps advocates faced an uphill struggle to make their voices heard,” the report said. “The legislature ultimately drew and passed maps that focused primarily on maximizing the number of districts that Republicans would win.”
It said lawmakers “erected structural barriers” that hindered public participation: few redistricting hearings, meetings during weekdays, on already-completed proposals.
If you really want to get back there can be agreement on mutual respect and fair representation, fuck off with your bullshit fantasies. The Republican party hates you and me and anyone who tries to defy them and no amount of lying to yourself and everyone here is going to change that, it’s just going to give those bastards more opportunities to repress us.
Only 3 of 8 lost. Having a petty pdfile attack them doesn’t work like it used to.
Factually incorrect,
Five of the seven lost their primaries Tuesday, while another, Greg Goode, advanced to the general election. The other, Spencer Deery, led Trump-backed Paula Copenhaver by just three votes in a race that remained too close to call Wednesday.
Moreover, the argument you’re trying to make with that fact is divorced from reality. Trump is hugely influential among Republicans - polls consistently show self identified Republicans having over 80% approval for him and his policies, and the vast majority of their electeds have done everything he wanted and refused to condemn any of his craziness.
This is because the Republican party is an evil organization and has been so ever since the 1960s when they came out swinging against the Civil Rights Acts because they wanted to get dirt poor racist rednecks to vote for tax breaks for oligarchs and deregulation for their factories. Donald Trump is just the latest and most severe example of generations of doubling down on bigotry as a way to market their grifts.
There are no good members of the Republican party. Failure to accept this difficult truth and act accordingly will lead to the destruction of America.
When you’d rather be jobless than admit you were wrong.Edit: nevermind, I thought that said “backing Trump” because I can’t read apparently.
In your mind, they were wrong to stand up to that child-raping traitor? Really?
Wait. Okay I thought that said backing Trump. Nevermind.
Of course they don’t, dipshit asshole conservatives never think anything is their own fault, even when it comes straight out of the political party they’ve supported their whole lives
Yeah not sure the hostility here. They opposed dark money in politics, voted the way their constituents wanted, and paid the price.
We should be complimenting those actions
So, did they vote the way their constituents wanted? This Tuesday’s results would disagree with that no?
Primary voters aren’t the whole of the electorate. Though being Indiana, I suspect the new whackjobs are going to win the general.
it’s an indicator… But, with all the “stuff” going on, it could have just been the current ‘hot topic’ which voters were tricked into “if we don’t support THIS terrible thing, the democrats are going to do THAT terrible thing” and its not necessarily reflective of actual beliefs.
Yeah, you’re probably right. I actually had the exact same thought as your original comment. I’m just kind of hoping that with the way things have been going lately maybe something good will actually happen. But I’ve lived in Indiana so that hope is very small.
Hello fellow Hoosier <sigh>
Normally these races have at most $200,000 at play. Trump dumped millions in negative ads against them because they wouldn’t gerrymander the voting districts.
Reading comprehension?
