You skipped the last one
Q: What lessons should I take from this conflict?
A: That dehumanization begets dehumanization, terror begets terror, and none of us will be free until all of us are free; or, you know, that it might be easier to just look away.
Also stop electing genocidal fascists.
This is a problem that will solve itself. Most genocidal fascists aren't that hyped about elections so they get rid of them.
The Onion has been outright prophetic about Palestine.
Is it really a prophecy to name the thing that's been happening for 80 years
I think we have to stop considering every human life as a precious treasure and every child as a miracle to be protected at all cost.
Instead we should consider picking sides like we choose a starter Pokémon. Who's with me on team Bulbasaur-Palestine-Russia-Armenia, because I dig their super cool aesthetics?
We should just have Bulbasaur eat Israel and solve all our problems
Why doesn't Bulbasaur, the largest starter, simply not eat the others
bulbasaur eat pokemon, eevee inherit the earth
More like Russia-Iran-North Korea. Palestine is just a convenient place for Iran to launch their missiles while claiming it's not them. Armenia only fights because Russia bribes them.
Fucking Pikachu apologists
Hey, you're doing my G Bulbasaur dirty. Just take Charmander, will you
it's not thousands of years of context. All this stuff dates back to, like, roughly the 1900s. Basically the British Mandatory period.
So try a lemmy comment.
It actually started around 11 century BC, when Samson slaughtered more than 1000 Philistines (ancient Palestinians).
That land belongs to the Canaanites!
Who I guess were ancient Canadians?
bruh
A bit earlier still
The Egyptians defeated the Sea Peoples and forced a subgroup, the Peleset, to southern Canaan to act as a buffer state to the Hittites to the north. This displaced the locals who would go on to become the Israelites.
The Peleset became the biblical Philistines.
What I’m hearing is it would be more efficient to go back and time and prevent this than to go back in time and kill Hitler.
Why did he do that?
Because they’ve been fighting over that meaningless strip of land since time imemorial and will never stop until one side obliterates the other.
What about those crusade things I've heard so much about
The Mongols showed up and ruined everything.
We wouldn’t have had guitars without that shit.
Damn! Without a guitar I would still be a virgin
Why is it called Palestine? What happened to the Second Temple?
The Romans. Trajan sacked Jerusalem after a 5 month of siege to put out the Great Jewish Revolt (70CE). That’s when the Second Temple was destroyed. Trajan’s column shows Roman soldiers carting off a giant menorah in commemoration.
Palestine is from the Latin for Philistia, the lands of another ancient Canaanite tribe.
Shit’s old all around.
Uhhm… Maybe look into history?
Uhhm… Maybe look into history?
1947 babyyyy
I think it would be more useful to look at events starting from around the 1920s
Oh? I didnt even know about the 1920s. I said 1947, I mean the state of Palestine website has maps of like “map of Palestinian homes in 1948” to show how they have been pushed away by Israeli settlers. So…1920s?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
Is this the issue that you mean? I don’t know if I’ve even hears of this stage of Palestinian statehood.
This was around the period that Jewish immigration to the area picked up momentum. It’s where the whole situation really begins; the events set into motion that would, in time, lead to the civil war that eventually resulted in the Nakba, and Israeli independence.
Indeed. I’ve learnt more about the interwar period in this area since this all kicked off. Previously I’d though the Palestinian displacement was all post-WW2, but that’s just when it escalated massively and Israel’s statehood was declared.
The British took control of the area post-WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire (Turks). Jewish immigration started in the following decade. This was already causing conflict, and there was a partition plan which the British (by my reading) were against. I think the British saw the forced displacement of people already there as something which they didn’t want to police. The plan went ahead and the British handed over control (Peace-out!). Then WW2 happened and migration soared for obvious reasons. The effect was more displacement, more enclaves, and the eventual creation of the nation of Israel, all whilst the Palestinians weren’t recognised as a nation of their own.
A couple of brief wars with their neighbours later and Israel has grown again encircling Gaza. Fast forward through a ton of conflict to today.
Not gonna lie. The last point got me. I just filter out gaza, Israel and Palestine now. There is no way for me to get non biased info about the history of the issue online.
Guilty of Killing civilians: Hamas, Israeli government.
Guilty of Genocide: Israeli government
People who don't deserve to get killed: Palestine civilians, Israeli civilians.
People who have claims to the land: both Palestine civilians and Israeli civilians (sorry the situation is fucked).
Fascist and helping each other gain power: Hamas, Netanyahu
Hamas is also guilty of genocide…
Eh, more like they would commit genocide if they could. They'd happily and gleefully murder every Jew in Israel, but they don't have the military strength to do it.
Thank you for the context
Probably, the best summary of this situation. May I steal this and use it when arguing with tankies and right wingers?
Thanks, you may! Best of luck plucking the brain worms out of others.
Israel is a colony invented by Western powers that at its creation committed a massive genocide against Palestinians to steal their land (see: the Nakba). Since then, Israel has consistently maintained a policy of ethnic cleansing to steal more Palestinian land by settling new areas, expelling the indigenous Palestinians, and only incorporating them into Israel once it meets demographic criteria.
The UN has called what Israel is doing apartheid, and fun fact when apartheid was a less bad word Israel knew it too – it was one of the closest allies with apartheid South Africa and they closely collaborated especially militarily on suppressing their respective indigenous liberation movements.
And by the way, Israel helped create Hamas as a way to undermine secular Palestinian resistance .
The current state of affairs is that millions of Palestinians are displaced from Palestine altogether, and millions more remain but cannot return to their homes in the occupied territories. Gaza is the world's largest concentration camp with 2 million people trapped inside, half of them under the age of 18, with no ability to leave. Israel has regularly bombed hospitals, schools, mosques, and other humanitarian sites, is not allowing humanitarian aid in, and in the most recent escalations has shut off access to food and water.
These are children resisting a multi billion dollar nuclear military from stealing their home, there is no balanced two sides to this story
https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/
Ah thanks. It's more fucked up than I thought…which is sad as hell. And from my 'not paying attention' understanding, Western governments are supporting this shit? Something something US sending aid to Israel? Something something France not allowing pro Palestine riots? That's when I tuned out, because I thought I must have really not understood the situation. But if that stuff is also true, shit is stomach curdlingly bleak.
Western governments put that shit in place.
well that's just depressing
Reality is often disappointing
Have civilians in Gaza really been allowed to leave?
Leave Gaza? No, but they were instructed to go to the other side of Gaza, and civilian convoys doing just that were bombed. Don't worry though people who were able to flee to the camps were also bombed. As for the people who didn't flee, they were surprisingly bombed.
Undercook chicken? Bombed. Overcook fish? Believe it or not, also bombed.
Everybody to the left side…bombs right side.
Everybody to the right side…bombs left side.
See… We didn’t target anyone.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67114281
Whether Israel did the bombing or Hamas isn’t clear. Stop spreading propaganda.
No but they were told to evacuate their homes in the northern Gaza strip and move to the southern Gaza strip - in 24 hours or less. I think that situation may have been deescalated. Some western governments have started telling Israel to stop some of the war crimes.
Speaking of war crimes, was it confirmed that Israel was dropping white phosphorus again?
Yea they did that
OP instance checks out.
I don’t think Onion articles are really that commie/Marxist/tankie, or whatever comparison you are trying to make.
