Looks like we upset a few too many 
residents over at lemmy.ca. I didn’t see a post about this on here, so I thought I’d go ahead and make one.
2 of 4 reasons why are basically just PPB lol, and a third is for calling for executions of landlords 
Whenever someone replies to [hexbear posters] with well-thought-out arguments supporting “the western authoritarians,” half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).
good to know that all it takes to learn something about china is to ignore thought terminating cliches like ‘china regime bad’
that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime
Translation; “I don’t know how to counter these arguments, so I’ll just assume its propaganda and move on”
Sounds like some sort of unfalsifiable orthodoxy to me…
a liberal’s thought process consists of inventing a conclusion and selectively interpreting evidence
They rarely seem to do that much.
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CNN told me China bad, don’t need any more information then that
Arguments I agree with = well-thought-out
Arguments I disagree with = Chinese propaganda
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“Whew, those dastardly communists almost had me there with that instructive and enlightening argument. Thankfully my
hegemonic capitalist programmingFACTS AND LOGIC kicked in and I rejected their arguments immediately without further thought.”How do they not realize what an incredible self-own that shit is lmao
“I have come to a predetermined conclusion and will not change my mind no matter the evidence because China is inherently bad (totally not racist btw)”
thing I like (japan)
thing I like (china)
Kill more Japanese prime ministers
that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime
Holeeeeeeeee shit.
Your honor, the evidence that I’m guilty sounds well founded only if you disregard the fact that I’m not guilty.
You might as well stick your fingers in your ears and start drooling
the ball flew so far over their head that it left near earth orbit.
they did the thing
while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).
Under liberalism, there are no good or bad actions, only good and bad teams
half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis
Our emojis may be huge due to the lemmy bug (I’ve been trying to refrain posting some outside of the instance due to that), but ugly ?!
How dare them, we have the best emojis
They mean ppb
Me: Mom I want expertise on China.
Mom: We’ve already got a China expert at home.
The China expert at home:
50% of posts are well-written arguments? Not a bad ratio, frankly. Good posts, guys.
Like all leftists we’re pathetically vulnerable to engaging in lively debate about economics.
This really needs to be a site tagline.
When I saw that thread last night, I was expecting the links to the “offenses” to be wild. But then it was just bathroom humor, and a singular call to execute landlords, which I found hilarious.
I just do not understand the lack of humor of a lot of people, on these instances. You’d swear their lives are devoid of happiness.
A lot of those are pretexts for defederating I think
What rubs them the wrong way is our position on various issues (despite them being far more deeply argued and sourced than the paltry answers we usually get)
Also, admittedly and to a lesser degree, likely the fact we’re numerous and terminally online so anytime something dunkable is posted even the small subset of online hexbear users that see it appear on their feed and interact must look like an army to them
They defederated us for being perfect posters
We did everything right and they defederated us, folks
They hate Trump because he dismisses them and posts better than them, not because the valid reasons. They hate us for the same reason
Guilty. I will happily reply to every single comment in a thread without even really thinking about it. People think I’m stalking them and it’s like “nah, I’ve just made twenty comments in every single post that was posted today, that’s all”.
people dont do this?
it’s a poster’s duty
Honestly I can understand why XYZ mod/admin (idk how Lemmy works I just go on ‘chapo.chat’) would not be happy with people spamming huge emojis and PPB (I don’t like it tbh, it’s gross! I like my pigs clean) and if that was the main reason for defederation if attempts at stopping it hadn’t worked I’d frankly understand it.
But the other stuff (the implication that this is a Chinese propaganda subreddit(?)) is a bit more confusing to understand. I mean I’m not “pro-China” and I’ve never been abused or dunked on or whatever on here because, I’d like to think, I approach my position with thought and care. I mean I could put more effort into it (e.g., more effort w/ sourcing) but honestly I can’t be arsed. But yeah, if it’s just “defederating because anti-west geopolitical stance” then it’s on them, really. If they want a narrow political window of discussion then it’s just whatever…
For me discussion-when it’s serious/decent effort and especially when it’s sourced-can be a genuine source of gaining knowledge and challenging your own views even on social media like this. If some people are not (and I don’t know how to say this without sounding like a twat) open to challenging their own preconceptions and hegemonic culture then let’em wallow in ignorance. There are others who are not so politically docile.
Guaranteed most of them have some interesting opinions on the indigenous people of Canada and how they ended up in their current situation.
Most of them are starlight tourguides.
Step 1: Execute landlords
Step 2: Land doesn’t actually get properly distributed and a new landlord rises
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit?
(Step 5: Revolution all over again)
Edit: /s in case it’s not clear. sigh Poe’s Law sucks 🤦♂️
Uhh excuse me I’m sorry what was step 2 again??
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they also purposefully obscure and ignore the distinction between personal property (held for use) and private property (held for profit)
In my experience, it has genuinely not occurred to most liberals that those are different things, but then when presented with the distinction they pretend not to have heard it.
My experience is that liberals, upon hearing the difference, will start conflating the two. Like they’ll say their house is both personal and private, since they intend to use it as an investment.
What a miserable way to see housing
The Maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.
Calls China an Oppressive Regime
Based in country that swore fealty to a pedophile enabling racist royal family which leeches off the people of the UK and imprisons people standing against monarchy.
The UK complaining about China is really rich given the way their courts work, their actual literal king and unelected house of parliament, ASBOs, and the UK being far and away the most exhaustively surveilled country in the world.
But China sometimes uses their surveillance to target business owners and even billionaires, and that’s why they’re the most oppressive country ever.
Don’t forget the pogroms and genocide against the Natives
Posting the pig poop emoji repeatedly and not adding value to discussions
This is a contradiction in termsSeriously though fuck Canada, hope your ongoing indigenous genocide stops and you stop being a fake country that’s really a front for mining operations on indigenous land.
The whole point is that whoever you’re replying to has descended in to silly chud shit and there’s no longer any point engaging with their “ideas”, but apparently our refined linguistic achievements are too complex.
O Canada my home
andis native land
Calling for exections of landlords
I mean Maoist anti-landlord action wasn’t even against, like, some guy who owns 4 houses, it was against literal feudal lords who treated their peasants as slaves in Corvée/Robota (the latter being the Czech term for it, I think?) systems of forced labour. They deserved it as the position structurally guaranteed and required brutality. Plus they often had the means of armed resistance because of this ownership of land. I mean it’s not even to say that the Maoist redistribution of land was perfect, but it’s not like those peasants who acted in excess against their feudal lords had no reason to be extremely angry and vengeful. No, murder probably isn’t necessary, but if it happens one needn’t cry over it.
By contrast the landlord class of capitalism (not counting the literal aristocracy that still exists in the UK and such) is far smaller in its land holdings and its structural power within society. It can be swept aside with no significant violence if a socialist state came to power, since unlike the old feudal lords they have no independent mechanisms of coercive power. I do not believe in wanton violence and killing-violence is awful, traumatising, and just generally horrific-but in the case of Mao-era China sometimes it was necessary when strong landlords with coercive power resisted redistribution. It is sad any time violence is used, but that doesn’t mean it is always wrong. Even libs agree with this, e.g., the police, WW2, the Falklands War, or whatever.
Aight give me your take on the Falklands War
I don’t know if it’ll be popular here mind you!
I think the Falklands War was justified, yes. The island has only ever been settled by British people and there is no indigenous population beforehand. There is no valid legal claim from Argentina through Spain to the island, and, above all else, the islanders (as the original settled people) want to overwhelmingly remain British. As a fervent believer in the right to self-determination, that alone makes it worth defending by force (ethically speaking). The island is of little strategic use (the British govt probably would’ve given it up eventually if the Argentines had not invaded-they were willing to negotiate on the issue) and it’s only important now because of the war!
So the Argentine junta invades and occupies the islands + mistreats the islanders for its own domestic reasons. Attempts at rapid diplomacy failed and the Argentines had no intention of withdrawing. Thatcher sees it as a great political opportunity and goes to war and the British win.
Many years later, as if to confirm this right to self-determination, a referendum on the status of the islands is done in 2013. Literally only 3 people vote against remaining part of the UK as an overseas territory. Bare in mind yet again that there is no indigenous population and it is not a settler-colonial society as such. I think the protection of the right to self-determination against an aggressor by force of arms is justified. I know Thatcher used it for her own political purposes, but there was realistically no other choice that would have ended in a more moral/ethical situation.
It just being nearer to Argentina is not a valid claim whatsoever and makes no serious sense.
Yes, agree.
The only thing that irks me is that there’s only 6k britbongs living in those islands, and feels like rule-of-thumb kicking britbongs back to the UK always seem like the correct thing to do. But yes, they live there.
Lmao @ the “not all landlords are bad” comments.
Not all landlords are bad, but all people under 30 can’t afford to live in Canadian citys.
It’s almost as if landlordism requires participating in a system of exploitation no matter how “nice” the individual may be
Actual structural and material analysis of how the reproduction of societal roles enforces certain behaviours that ‘cohere’ class as a social category in the world is alien to these people, I reckon. e.g., “the capitalist is capital personified”. The structural pressures on Landlords for their social reproduction is not identical to that of capital ofc, but they still exist, yet when the individual has a sacred role as the ultimate and sole unit of analysis this sort of recognition just passes through the cracks.
Idiots falling for that lazy argument still.
Somewhat like cops, not every individual is an evil, Machiavellian monster harboring Hitlerian-esque notions of governance and law. However, their existence continues to perpetuate a (horrific) status quo, AND NOBODY IS BORN A COP OR LANDLORD.
Don’t like being called a parasitic bastard? Quit then fucker lmao
Well, federation was an interesting experiment. Lemmygrad and hexbear
They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn’t work
idk about you guys but I always check the sidebar before posting in another instance. Problem is that none of these instances put their rule about not advocating for the death of landlords in the sidebar, so IMO it’s a usability issue.
yeah its kind of shocking how bare the sidebars are on most of the places I’ve looked
SMDH no respect for the rule of law in the lemmyverse.
PPB seems to really upset people
We’re totally denying any validity to their position with a vulgar and grotesque reply. It’s about as rude as you can get, which is no less than most of them deserve.
That is the one thing the admins of those instances could really enforce, just ban people for usage of it and be done with it, but no instead ban 20k people.
Special shoutouts to @AccountVerificationBot@hexbear.net, @duderium@hexbear.net, @Sasuke@hexbear.net, @GaveUp@hexbear.net (and probably also @Frank@hexbear.net), and @GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net for being called out specifically.
For the record I think I only posted pigpoopballs two or three times and stopped when people here on hexbear started complaining about it.
Edit: all violence is bad except for structural violence that funds my treats. We have to help the mom-and-pop landlords fight the evil woke global elitist landlords. All revolutions inevitably destroy themselves which is why I am literally a peasant living on a manor and capitalism never happened (since it is human nature and if anything the nature of the universe (who is God except The Great Investor? What was the Big Bang except a massive and highly profitable investment?)), excuse me now while I have my eighth meltdown about China for the day.
lol that just makes it even funnier
You all went out bullying Canadians without me.
Special shoutouts to . . . @Sasuke@hexbear.net
hiii <3
Lol i didn’t even DO ANYTHING. I’ve been so polite compared to how rude I am usually
It is an indictment of my posting that I wasn’t mentioned there. Should have posted harder
Self-crit, you love to see it
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How did I never realize we had a Shuba emote? Now I gotta figure out what other VTuber emotes I can sneak in…
I like how you just threw me in there. : )
You were in there riffing on Kkklanada with GaveUp, so I figured you were being implicitly included there.
Goddamn I need to step up my game
my posting game is below par
Adding to the discussion = spending hours arguing with me over my basic misunderstanding of the world until I declare victory by citing The Economist and calling you a tankie
And dragging on an argument one point at a time, completely disconnected from the pace of the thread, because I only have like 3 arguments that are all memorized slogans, and have to space them out for dramatic effect
I never bought into this whole “Canada” thing anyway
No fucking way that’s a real country
Good post.
Oh, you thought when we said death to America we just meant the United States?
Cuba can stay
(It’s on the North American plate, right?)
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The most important goal of the revolution is to seperate everything south of the US from the North American plate. Then we sink the North American plate.
In a way, it’s depressing that it’s not “just Reddit” that was top-down silencing any narratives that challenge the mainstream consensus. It’s happening now in a more distributed fashion where smaller admins of instances decide that “we don’t need any different viewpoints” and defederate
That’s how Reddit used to operate on a sub-by-sub basis. People would get banned from subs they’d never even visited, because the admins were angry at them posting in associated subs.
The petty feudal mod atmosphere trickled up to the administration over time, and eventually the admins just adopted a Mods But Sitewide approach to governance.
Admittedly, this was after numerous subs began to actively and deliberately fuck with the money.
But… what do you even want? Redditors gonna Redditor. Even Hexbear went through a period of arbitrarily banning people over petty ego driven shit some years back.
Can we at hexbear really be mad at an instance blocking us when we are literally whitelisting like 10 instances, effectively blacklisting the rest of them?
is anyone mad? the defederation posts are comedy gold
Yes, cause it is sensible to see how a feature interacts with your community. This is the reform approach with feedback and decision making by the community. It is also a good practice to reflect and tune what you do.
