We’ve known for years that the owner is a lying, creepy, out of touch dipshit and that it’s a very flawed car and the company will cut costs to save money on safety items, every time.
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future, but there are alternatives, especially if you have money, which a lot of Tesla customers do. And they’re not particularly well built; how many of these do you think will be on the road 20 years from now? And now we’ve seen how Elaine runs their companies, why the hell would anybody put their trust in their products?
If you’ve bought a Tesla in the last five or so years, you’re a damn goober in my eyes. That’s my hot take, prepared for being called poor and other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter. You are the hardcore, foaming at the mouth Segway fan from the 2000s, have at me lol.
Update: The teary eyed, sweaty fingered responses to this are predictably hilarious. I’ve been called a guy that eats 4 pizzas a week in another old thread because of this, a cunt, a tool, a douche, a couple people spent their energy to tell me they don’t understand me spending my energy posting this, some people are telling me something about Tesla or Elaine living in my head rent free. All genuinely pathetic responses, so GG lol. Cheers.
other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter.
You know you can post an unpopular opinion without being a completely unlikable cunt, right?
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That’s probably because OP is posting a popular opinion in an unpopular way.
More likely OP is in fact, an absolute douche.
I don’t see how that conflicts with what I said.
Twist: OP owns a Tesla.
This is just his way of coping with the self-hate.
It’s as if OP posted two unpopular opinions.
I mean is “Elon bad and anything related also bad” even unpopular
Judging by the upvotes calling OP out…
I struggled with this for a long time on that other site. I’m trying to do things differently here.
I had a blanket “Cool guys don’t look back at explosions” policy to posting on pretty much every other site. I decided to turn over a new leaf on the Fediverse, and try not to post anything I don’t actually want a reply to. It does tend to gentle you down a bit. Also, I noticed other people were at least giving themselves a chance to form friendships that way, so yeah, new deal.
The thing that really sucks about social media is how many people are just using you as a vent pillow to scream into. It’s amazing that so many people are using so many websites that pretty much amount to somebody else’s emotional punching bag.
Wait, how do you form a friendship on sites like this? Best I’ve had are brief friendly interactions and then I forget their username unless it’s one of the novelty accounts, in which case “interactions” feel more like celebrity appearances or like a performance than anything else.
My dude I do not even know. I have managed to be around some people who aren’t like me and gathered the strong impression that people were using social media like it was social, and not anti-social, which I am fluent in. So now I am on a brand-new policy, in the dark and stumbling around. All I can tell you is that the other people are using this thing to meet each other and exchange phone numbers eventually like actual friends. Which makes fuckin sense. If you reply back to other people like you are texting, it changes the nature of the thing. We must both be at peace with letting the thread drop, tho.
I must remind you that the normy world has been using social media to find other people to have sex with for a while, basically pull up the app, swipe swipe swipe until you find a friend for the night and put the phone away, instead of letting the demon consume the next 4 hours somehow. There’s a whole nother paradigm. It seems more entertaining.
But yeah, I think you just treat threads like chats, be cool, and see what happens eventually.
You just avoid that Reddit thing where you come in with your 1500 word truth dunk, that ain’t it.
Yeah it’s crazy to me that people can find a sexual partner on a site like Reddit (or are you just talking about tinder and apps like that?). Meanwhile I’m here avoiding even sharing my province, though I was open about being in Canada. Probably doesn’t help that my desire to be social itself waxes and wanes.
No, I do mean sites like Reddit. The advanced users are making everything act like a dating site when they need it to, because things like tinder don’t work for everyone, so it’s double crazy that they’re making Reddit work for that.
What I was truly referring to is Discord, and all those little communities in there, lots of people making their connections, not just sex, but international friend networking. Snapchat, group chats, all that, they’re busy doing the same, there. Meanwhile, I live as a ghost, interacting with dozens of people a day online, thousands over the years, with nothing much to show for it.
Even out in the real world I’m the kinda guy who can work some place for two years and leave with no new numbers in my phone. It does keep me out of the drama, but I don’t feel I’m striking a balance, either.
So yeah, I wish I knew.
Ooooh discord makes a lot of sense. It’s just the modern version of chat rooms which is where people were hooking up long before tinder was a thing and “a/s/l?” was one of the most common greetings between people just meeting for the first time.
I think Lemmy will be a bit like that too, but I can see it happen for example smaller instances where you interact with the same users over and over on the local communities, more than on the other site.
Maybe I should get in the habit of looking at user names lol. I usually just think of everyone on here as anonymous.
I’m proud of you trying to better yourself.
Yeah, Digg wasn’t great
I mean being unlikeable is unpopular so… it fits lol
What’s immortality gotta do with all this
Nah, he is just a troll and attention lover.
Is this even an unpopular opinion? Feels like everything musk touches is anathema nowadays, at least here on Lemmy.
I’m not sure why you think lemmy is full of Musk fans, but I think you’ll find the guess to be incorrect. There’s not a lot of Tesla drivers on here. I know that because for the most part, the only people that are here, are ones capable of doing a little research. Ones capable of doing a little research, probably won’t buy a Tesla. People who do research on stuff definitely research their vehicles.
There’s probably a handful of people that got the early generation stuff, but probably not many. Anyways, have fun.
I bought a Tesla in 2018. I did my research. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned. I’ve driven it from Mississippi all the way to Washington state with no issues. It’s so cheap compared to a gas car too. I pay maybe $9.50 for 300 miles, which is way cheaper than 5.50/gallon of gas.
The drive assist is amazing in longer trips. The city “self driving” isn’t great, but it’s great to have lane keeping and distance keeping in terrible traffic.
I can turn on the AC and view my cameras from the app. What’s another car company that can view 4 angles + inside from the native app? It really helps when I have my dog and need to check in on her when dog mode is active.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate Musk, and he would probably dissuade me from getting one today.
Sounds to me like you are just a fan of electric drive trains and connectivity. None of these features are particularly unique to Tesla. Except maybe the inside camera part. Yuck, no thanks.
Tesla’s supercharger network is by far the best American EV charging network. I wish it were better for others, but it’s just not the case.
Tesla also has the most efficient cars. Mine gets about 250Wh/mile, while others get 350+. Hopefully others can catch up because Musk does not deserve the business.
I still can’t believe there are competing standards for something as boring as chargers. I kinda hoped that when the EU mandated a single car charger it would spread to non-EU countries too.
Ford and GM both signed to use the same chargers that Tesla uses, so for the most part Im hoping that will just be standard in the U.S.
Man, you should have seen the early cellphone market. It was a mess of proprietary chargers that didn’t even work on different phones in the same brand. We still have that issue today with Apple even though everyone else standardized.
Imagine if there were Honda gas stations that only let you fuel up your Honda.
Except industry trend has started shifting to the NACS plug in the last couple months. That means that all the current CCS vehicles are looking like a worse proposition. Problem is that we won’t really see Tesla plug vehicles from other manufacturers until 2025
I don’t believe Tesla deserves any credit for only just now starting to play nice standards wise.
They don’t. 8 charging locations that follow the actual standard other manufacturers finally agreed on is pathetic. The fact that the charging networks dropped the ball so fucking hard in the US that manufacturers are throwing in the towel and switching to Tesla’s plug is where the failure really occurred.
Well thankfully most other manufacturers are switching to NACS charging ports within the next few years so that’ll effectively open up the Tesla charging network for all.
Tesla’s supercharger network is by far the best American EV charging network.
I really think they had a headstart here considering they were one of the first major companies to start pushing for that network in the first place. Hopefully other manufacturers will start doing that as well or atleast have one universal port that they all share so they don’t have to build their own stations to do so.
Well yea, but they doesn’t take away from them having the best network. I wish others were better now, but that’s not how it works. Headstarts will always be awarded in tech.
I also got my Tesla before Elon went full crazy, and there only recently were a lot of options. Even then, most were waitlisfed for months and months. Tesla manufactures a ridiculously high percentage of the EV market. Most large car companies are still just dipping their toes in EVs.
I may have bought one back in 2018 also if I was looking to get a car.
Wow… I knew there wouldnt be a lot, but didnt think it would be this bad.
Heh yeah I thought it’d be more too. lol
Wow F me, even a Tesla Investor community too 😯
I wasn’t expecting so many Tesla communities to exist here already though, kinda surprising and insightful
Users in the single digits though
If they all banded together, they’d have almost as many people as this thread, assuming individuals in this thread have posted one or two comments on average.
We should encourage diversity of options and opinions tho.
Definitely agree. Personally Tesla isn’t an interest of mine anymore, but their fans are more than welcome to establish communities here on Lemmy IMO
Christ, why don’t they combine their powers? This is Lemmy not fucking Reddit. I guess they can talk in RealTesla (note: I say “they” because I don’t own a car/Tesla, not because I hate Elon, though he is certainly an insufferable wanker).
Looks like there is at least one Tesla fan judging by the down votes (at the time of this comment that is).
I downvoted the comment because I find that saying that Tesla owners aren’t “capable of doing a little research” is not just untrue, but also unnecessarily belittling/insulting.
I personally would never buy a Tesla but I disagree with insulting people’s abilities on the mere basis of them choosing to buy a Tesla.
(I downvoted your comment because I disagree with randomly making up reasons for a post/comment having downvotes.)
You know you can see who’s downvoting right? It’s a lurker account with “Texas” in the username. Make of that what you will.
You know you can see who’s downvoting right
We can’t see downvoter users in Lemmy 🥺
Anyone who runs an instance has access to see the names of people who upvoted/downvoted any comments or posts that get fed into that instance. So while you have to be an instance admin to see that data, anyone can become an instance admin if they want to. And I have a feeling it’s only a matter of time before someone uses that power to write a bot that can DM you the names of people who upvoted/downvoted any particular piece of content on demand.
It is possible, but I think it only works if you have your own instance.
There’s always a trace number of people downvoting everything that doesn’t jive with a strict conservative doctrine, so you have to normalize for that. It’s usually at least 1 on here.
Given how annoying this place would be for any genuine conservative to actually hang out in for any length of time, I conclude we’re actually being monitored by someone(s).
Nah, I just like getting into dumb arguments on the internet. I didn’t downvote him though.
You’ll get tired of it eventually, if you’re anything like I was. Regardless, we’re clearly under attention, the hack last night was evidence enough of that. Given how much groups of people on the internet like playing games, I think it’s frankly a little out-of-touch to think there’s nobody intentionally observing.
There are downvotes on lemmy?
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I bought a Tesla because I wanted an electric car with certain features and all the other brands, sold thru dealerships, insisted in charging a ‘low stock’ fee of $6-$10k that I wasn’t willing to pay, even though I prefer some of the other options.
If that makes me a tool… well, ok I guess. I’ll be in the shed if you need me
One of the reasons I bought my Model Y is the Supercharger network. Last winter my wife an I did a road trip vacation up & down the east coast and we never had a single issue with charging.
I’m thrilled to see all the other auto manufacturers that have announced support for Teslas NACS adapter. Whenever I’m in the market for my next EV I’ll gladly look at all those options that weren’t available a couple years ago.
Exactly this. I expect to keep my Model Y around for a long time, but I’m excited about how much more developed the EV industry will be when it’s time for me to buy my next car. More competition is always a good thing, and I’m hoping the new players in the EV space will either produce a better product than Tesla, or force Tesla to iron out more kinks in their products to stay competitive.
Did you know about the subscription fee for the live traffic, no navigation after 8 years, no CarPlay/android auto, extra for the wall charger, and cheap plastic box interior look before buying it though?
Yes, as someone who also purchased one. Premium connectivity is $10/mo or $100/yr and it does a lot more than give you access to live traffic. You can also use it to watch Netflix and Youtube, stream music, and straight up browse the web from the car’s screen. If you don’t want to pay for it you can hotspot the car to your phone.
I ordered when the wall charger was still included so I still got one.
I have no complaints about the interior, and anyone who was conscious during the test drive certainly knows what the interior looks like before buying one.
Sounds like a great experience over all. Seems people is a little miffed they can’t actually buy one
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I’m sorry you feel that way, but I truly believe you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what the Tesla premium connectivity subscription is for. Most vehicles don’t come with a SIM card and LTE connection that you can use like a phone. It would be ridiculous to pay for premium connectivity in a vehicle that doesn’t have those features, but Teslas literally have a cellular data connection. That poses a recurring cost to the carrier (in this case it’s AT&T but paid thru Tesla), so it makes perfect sense for that to be a recurring cost to the end user.
Your car doesn’t come with free oil changes or tires for life, so why would Tesla pay a similar amount indefinitely on all it’s vehicles?
anyone who was conscious during the test drive certainly knows what the interior looks like before buying one.
Yes, like overpriced, pieced-together shit?
Honest question, have you personally been inside a Tesla or did you form your opinion through YouTube videos, car reviewers, and anecdotes from other people?
I wouldn’t say the interior is on par with a typical “luxury” vehicle by any means, but I don’t think it’s bad either.
Edit because I think this is relevant:
A few weeks ago I made my first large mess in my Model Y. While getting out of the car I slipped and spilled a soda, a pizza slice, and 5 wings all over the seat and floorboards. I had root beer going down the walls, pooling in the seats, saturating the carpet, etc.And I have to say, that is the EASIEST interior I’ve ever cleaned in a car. It took me about 15-20 minutes and it was spotless. The faux leather is sealed nicely so the soda didn’t absorb through the stitches or run out the sides, the trim pieces were fit together snugly and I didn’t have to go digging to wipe soda out of the door jamb or seat tracks. The fabric on the B pillars and headliner didn’t stain, and it was easy to get to any spots I needed to. It doesn’t smell like any of the food afterwards either.
I’ve spilled shit in a bunch of other cars and trucks of all shapes and sizes, and the Tesla was the easiest to clean up by far. I was impressed.
My boss owns a Tesla Model X. I have had many rides from him and while taking those rides I’ve formed … opinions … about Tesla’s vehicles:
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Autopilot is actively dangerous. Thankfully my boss isn’t an idiot and doesn’t use it ever outside of the time he demonstrated it to me.
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The automatic parking was comical. Again while demonstrating it, the car went back and forth and back and forth and eventually my boss gave up on it and parked manually. In one move. He doesn’t use the automatic parking.
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The gull wing doors are fucking stupid. Open them in a rainy day with even a slight hint of wind (but how many rainy days are windy too!?</s>) and you’ll see why.
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The driver’s in-dash display is prone to hallucinations like having cars next to use at a stop light showing as spinning around like helicopter blades. Or having the massive truck next to us being displayed as a bicycle.
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The main display is this huge fugly rectangle in a car that would otherwise be … passable interior design. It took an interior design that I actually thought was decent (not great, but not bad) and threw it into the bin to make it something that was just so jarringly ugly it amazed me.
Now to be fair, there’s some things I liked about the car too:
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Interior space engineering was OK. Most American cars don’t leave me enough usable leg room. This did. It wasn’t as nice as some of the BMWs I’ve been in, or even Toyotas, but it was way better than any North American car I’ve sat in.
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I love the combo windshield/sunroof. The fact that the windshield extends to over my head and beyond is lovely.
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The performance was decently impressive.
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The only important feature in everything you said was live traffic and no you cannot get that with hotspot to your phone.
The only important feature in everything you said was live traffic and no you cannot get that with hotspot to your phone.
You get traffic aware routing even without the subscription. You just don’t get colored lines on the screen without the subscription.
I’ve been running for just about a year without the Premium Connectivity subscription.
Did you know about the subscription fee for the live traffic,
There’s no fee for traffic aware route planning. The only thing the subscription fee gives you for traffic is the colored lines (red, yellow, green) on the screen when you look at it indicating traffic density. If you’re using navigation without the subscription, the routing takes you to exactly the same place on using the exact same roads while taking traffic density into account as the subscription does, just no colored lines.
no CarPlay/android auto,
You can use Carplay and Android Auto on your Tesla screen via third party apps. Here is a video of it is running on a Model 3 The app I use cost $5 to enable Android Auto on the Tesla.
extra for the wall charger
My wall charger came with the car.
no navigation after 8 years,
I guess I’ll use Android Auto then.
Sorry to kill your rant points.
Sir this is unpopular opinion, not based opinion.
Counterpoint: Anyone who bought a combustion engine car in the past few years is a tool.
See how that works?
I mean, those can both be true. You can buy an electric car without buying a Tesla.
On the other hand, someone buying a used minivan because it’s what they can afford should not be tarred with the same brush as someone buying a brand new Tesla because they’re an Elon Musk fanboy.
A lot of people bought their teslas before Elon started flipping out. Tesla has also been lowering prices in many markets recently. I’m not going to razz someone for buying a decently priced electric car with a good range. Hopefully Elon gets kicked off the board at some point so the people that actually do the work at Tesla can get back to business.
Also, for those of us who live in cities and have street parking only, not having a reliable place to charge is kind of a deal breaker. I’d love a cheap reliable EV. I think it’s an absolute shame, and a missed opportunity that the new Prius wasn’t an EV, but even if it were I don’t think I could buy one without having somewhere to charge it.
Also, for those of us who live in cities and have street parking only, not having a reliable place to charge is kind of a deal breaker. I’d love a cheap reliable EV. I think it’s an absolute shame, and a missed opportunity that the new Prius wasn’t an EV, but even if it were I don’t think I could buy one without having somewhere to charge it.
I bought a new car a few months ago and really, really wanted to buy an EV. Problem is, I’m going to retire in a little over a year and told my wife she could pick where we move to. I don’t know where that’s going to be, or what the infrastructure in the area will be like. Also it’s very likely we’ll be taking a lot of driving trips, and reports from my friends who have EVs about cross country trips seem annoying to me - having to plan around where chargers are.
I ended up getting a Hyundai sonata hybrid, and I’m very happy with it. It’s a good-sized sedan, but I get between 40 and 50 MPG, which is more than double was I was getting in my prior car. I’m pretty sure my next car (my wife’s next car, really) will be an EV assuming we move before we buy it.
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The counterpoint to that is that ICE cars start at a much lower price point than EVs. If you bought an expensive ICE car, I’d say your counterpoint is basically just correct (with exception for specific cases, like if the fast charger network where you live isn’t great and you regularly drive such long trips that you need a fast charger). Choosing to buy an ICE vehicle when EVs are a viable option is a dick move.
I’ve had mine for 5 years. I wanted an EV and at that time (in the US) there really was no option even remotely close with the combination of range, charging convenience and technology.
Elons downfall sometimes makes me slightly embarrassed to be associated to it in any way, but its still a great car, not perfect but great. 5 years and I’ve had to replace a set of tires, wiper blades and fluid, and 2 sets of cabin air filters. That’s it.
Its popular to hate on Elon and its rightly deserved but come the fuck on.
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Tesla pulled a hattrick by making people who couldnt give a shit about the environment want to buy an EV, and they did that by making the car pure fun.
With all the major brands announcing support for the NACS connector I will be keeping Rivian in my sites in a few years. If they can get the price right for their next generation, lower cost models they could be a compelling package.
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I was living in Los Angeles at the start of the pandemic. I was really enjoying my $0.11/Kw charging when gas was approaching $6-7/Gallon.
For most drivers, the math can make a lot of sense.
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@feld @SlicerDicer @Redonkulation This part of the Bay Area, yeah.
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Good point. My car has 55K miles. Recommended lifespan for the factory tires being 30K, I was dumb and ran the original tires till 34K miles.
Just curious, did you have to replace them at 30k even if they were fine treadwise?
They where pretty toast at that point. they wore down pretty evenly, only rotated once.
4 new OEM tires at a tesla service center hit me for about $1250.
I’ve got 92k miles on mine but my experience mirrors @Redonkulation@lemmy.world. On my 3rd set of tires
As a BMW driver, I am pleased that there is a new asshole driver car
Although I do believe Elon has been acting like a fucking maniac for the past few years, I would still buy a Tesla if I had the money for it. There’s absolutely no other electric vehicle on the market with so much tech and so much power for so little money.
Quality? For sure others are better in this regard. But just pure fun and power? No other even comes close, and the ones that do (Porsche Taycan, etc) are much more expensive to buy AND maintain.
There’s a reason Tesla model 3 is the best selling electric vehicle in the WORLD. Shit’s good yo.
We have to know how to separate Elon, the character from the products and services his company provides. (except Twitter, it’s gonna burn to the ground.)
He’s always been a maniac. People just started noticing after the Thailand cave incident.
You would buy “the best tech” with “little money” on costs of quality, longivity and safety.
Just look at the control-arm problems and the way they “fix” it. Its disturbing.
Please never get trapped.
We have to know how to separate Elon
My principles don’t allow for funneling money towards people who I believe will use it to make the world a shittier place.
You must live your whole life buying from only neighboring farms and individual creators, right?
I am curious which farm produced the smartphone and/or computer you’re using to browse this site?
Do you actually think the tech and gadgets you use, the clothes you wear, etc, are all made/created from some wholesome benefactor? The products we use are the result of abusing third world/developing nations, including child labor. What a hypocrite.
There’s the cold ugly truth about capitalism, to which I haven’t opted out. To some degree, that makes me a bad person for going along with a system I know I can’t change. And then there’s directly supporting a transphobic piece of shit who helps spread conspiracy theories online. I’ll opt not to go along with the second one.
There’s absolutely no other electric vehicle on the market with so much tech and so much power for so little money.
That’s just blatantly false. There are a lot of other options out there that are at least comparable, if not outright better, than the Tesla models.
If liking the CEO is a prerequisite for buying the companies products I’d better start learning how to live off the land
I can write from a Company perspective with multiple EVs. All Tesla models except X. We have VW Golf E, IDs, Mercedes EQS, E-Tron, Polestar and some mercedes E-vans. I’ve driven all of them…long range, short range, multiple months. And in the price range of 45-55k€ nothing beats The Model Y (2022). Its a great car. Tesla has made a great leap in quality from 2020 to 2022. We have Model 3s from different years, and the difference is huge. The recent ones are stellar for their price…no comparison with anything else on the market. This will certainly change quickly in the next years. The supercharger grid is also the single best feature.
Also…I can distinguish between a car and a delusional apartheid willy wonka.
I have a Model Y since nearly a year now and it’s overall the best car I have ever owned. Drawbacks? So far no. QA issues? No. Overall quality is actually on par with a similarly priced German car, if you ask me. The rear bumper? Still attached.
At the same time Tesla is the only car company where people make a direct connection between the car and the CEO. Couldn’t care less about Elmo.
At the same time Tesla is the only car company where people make a direct connection between the car and the CEO.
No other CEO sends me unwanted notifications when they tweet.
Not really, Tesla was presented very much like Apple and to a lesser extent Microsoft where the persona of the “genius innovative CEO” was as or sometimes more important than the product.
You haven’t personally NOTICED any QA issues and the rear bumper is still attached after less than a year? Never mind then, must be the best built car ever! 🤦
I own a Model Y, don’t give a fuck what Elon does or says. I own a Ford too and couldn’t tell you who the hell the CEO of Ford is. Their personal opinions have fuck-all to do with the product, in my opinion. I test drove one, loved everything about the car, the charging network is objectively better, and I’m a big fan of self driving so that’s a bonus. I’m a little over a year into ownership and there’s absolutely no complaints I have about the car, it’s been a great experience.
Now the question is, why do you have such strong opinions about what cars other people buy? I’ve had a great experience with my Tesla and don’t know of any better way I could’ve spent my money on a vehicle.
People love to hate Teslas, as seen from this post. My only complaint with mine is that there’s a good chunk of the population that translates their hatred for Teslas into unsafe and aggressive driving. It’s like, “Yes I get that you’re far right and hate EVs / far left and hate Elon, but can I please merge onto the highway? My kids are in the car.”
It’s just like android vs iPhone wars. I don’t understand how some folks get so hung up on what other people are doing. Don’t like it? Buy something else. Seems a petty reason to be calling people names.
Haha, I get this. My other vehicle is a lifted F150 that I use for off-roading and camping, so I’m a sinner in both camps depending on which vehicle I leave the house with.
I get you, man. I like my Volvo but I hate Swedish people! When my hate for the Swedes starts to boil up inside me and I start to grip that wheel hard, I just think of my car’s strong but flexible chassis, collision detection, and understated yet elegant interior finishing and it calms me down.
Lucky for you Volvo is an 82% Chinese company now.
The built quality is shit, you got to give him that
I’m not a musk fan and he’s really turned me off from the brand but as far as my car goes it’s great.
Source: Goober who bought one two years ago and has enjoyed it thoroughly.
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I’ve driven probably close to a hundred different Teslas and nearly every electric car currently on the market over my career working with cars, and I completely agree with this take even when you remove Elongated Muskrat and the semi-functional, utterly misrepresented Autopilot entirely from the equation. Sure, a Tesla (in proper working order) feels really good to drive, but practically every other electric car on the market (outliers being the Leaf and the Bolt) are working as hard as they can to capture that same experience and most are doing a really good job if not exceeding that standard. The only differences are that most other manufacturers have what I have to assume is a massively more robust design and engineering team, better quality control, and generally decades upon decades more experience in designing cars in general, and not taking advantage of that as a buyer is a pretty dumb move, especially when you start researching the myriad issues with Teslas. Sure, Tesla may have kickstarted the electric car market, but with all the current, similarly priced options on the market, buying a Tesla is purely for the status-symbol optics or because you actually buy into Elon’s BS, which is its own can of worms.
